Newton's Law of Gravitation (again)

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The discussion revolves around gravitational forces in two scenarios involving particles and spheres. The first scenario involves four particles at the vertices of a regular tetrahedron, while the second scenario involves three spheres arranged in a triangle with a fourth sphere on top. Participants are tasked with calculating the gravitational forces exerted on specific particles or spheres.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the difficulty in calculating distances between masses and the implications of gravitational force being a vector. There are attempts to break down the problem into components and to apply the Pythagorean theorem for distance calculations. Questions arise about the differences between the two parts of the problem and the necessity of considering three-dimensional components.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the calculations and the implications of their findings. Some guidance has been offered regarding the vector nature of gravitational forces, but there is no explicit consensus on the methods or solutions being proposed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, which includes specific configurations of masses and the requirement to find gravitational forces without providing complete solutions. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions related to the geometry of the tetrahedron and the arrangement of the spheres.

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Homework Statement

a). Four particles, each of mass m , are situated at the vertices of a regular tetrahedron of side a. Find the Gravational force exerted on anyone of the particles by the other three

b) Three uniform rigid spheres of mass M and radius a are placed on a horizontal table and are pressed together so that their centres are at the vertices of an equilateral triangle. A fourth uniform rigid sphere of mass M and radius a is placed on top of the other three so that all four spheres are in contact with each other. Find the gravitational force exerted on the upper phere by the three lowers one

Homework Equations



Possible F=m1*m2*G/R^2

F(net)=F1+F2+F3+F4

The Attempt at a Solution



part a)
What is really going to be difficult for me to calculate is the distance between the mass that lies on top of the vertices and the of one of the three masses that lies on the three vertices of the equilateral triangle; the base of the tetrahedron is an equilateral triangle since the polyhedron is a regular tetrahedron.

attempting calculation at height: since triangle is equilateral, angles will be 60 degrees each. I draw a line segment that bisects one of the four equilateral triangles: therefore a breaks into two segments of a/2. I also consider that a*cos(30)= a*root(3)/2 . using the pythagorean theorem my Radius should be: R=Root((a*root(3)/2)^2 +(a/2)^2)=Root(3*a^2+a^2/4)) ; that isn't right .What other method should I apply to obtain the radius.

part b) Almost the same as above: h=a*root(3)/2 ; therefore R=root((3/4)*a+(3/4)*a)=.5*root(6*a) ; still wrong

how is part b different from part a , other than the fact that the masses of part b have a spherical shape.
 
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In part a, the centers of each pair of masses is separated by distance a. Remember that gravitational force is a vector, so one needs to look at horizontal (parallel with the plane of three mass) and vertical (perpendicular with plane of three mass) components of the resultant force vector.

What is the implication of part a and part b giving the same answer?
 
Astronuc said:
In part a, the centers of each pair of masses is separated by distance a. Remember that gravitational force is a vector, so one needs to look at horizontal (parallel with the plane of three mass) and vertical (perpendicular with plane of three mass) components of the resultant force vector.

What is the implication of part a and part b giving the same answer?
But wouldn't a tetrahedron be in a 3-d plane, so wouldn't I have to considered the x,y, and z components of the plane?
F=F1+F2+F3

Would F1 be: F1=m*m*G/(a*cos(60))^2+m*m*G/(a*sin(60))^2
since all 3 forces have the same masses, F net would look like:

F(net)= 3*(m*m*G/(a*cos(60))^2+m*m*G/(a*sin(60))^2)
 
Benzoate said:
But wouldn't a tetrahedron be in a 3-d plane, so wouldn't I have to considered the x,y, and z components of the plane?
F=F1+F2+F3

Would F1 be: F1=m*m*G/(a*cos(60))^2+m*m*G/(a*sin(60))^2
since all 3 forces have the same masses, F net would look like:

F(net)= 3*(m*m*G/(a*cos(60))^2+m*m*G/(a*sin(60))^2)

was my last response not understandable?
 

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