Newton's method and Mean Value theorem

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around using Newton's Method to approximate the value of pi, specifically through the application of the Mean Value Theorem. The original poster seeks to establish a relationship involving the approximations of pi and the tangent function.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different functions, such as sin(x) and tan(x), to apply the Mean Value Theorem. There are attempts to derive relationships involving the derivatives and the approximations of pi. Some participants express uncertainty about reaching the desired form involving |tan2cj|.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning the paths taken. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relevance of the problem statement and the nature of the approximations being made. There is a recognition of the complexity of the problem, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of dealing with undefined values, such as tan(pi), and the implications of using the intermediate value theorem. The problem context emphasizes the need to approximate a root of sin(x) as part of the Newton's method process.

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Homework Statement



let x0, x1,... be the approximations of pi from the Newton's Method. Use Mean Value theorem to show that
|pi-xj+1|=|tan2cj||pi-xj|
for some cj between xj and pi

Homework Equations



pi is defined as smallest positive number r when sin r =0

The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried to let f(x) = sin x and the bound to be [x,pi].
By using the mean value theorem, there exist some c such that
f'(c) = (sin pi - sin x) / (pi - x)
cos c = - sin x / (pi-x)
But I couldn't get the form, especially the |tan2cj| part.

I have also tried to let f(x) = tan x - x in [x,pi]
so, f'(c)=sec2c + 1 = (tan pi + pi - tan x - x)/(pi-x)
tan2 c = (tan pi - tan x + pi - x)/(pi-x)
But tan pi is undefined...

Am I on the correct path?
 
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Lily@pie said:
I have also tried to let f(x) = tan x - x in [x,pi]
so, f'(c)=sec2c + 1 = (tan pi + pi - tan x - x)/(pi-x)
tan2 c = (tan pi - tan x + pi - x)/(pi-x)
But tan pi is undefined...

Am I on the correct path?

This second route is a good path. Note tan(pi) = sin(pi)/cos(pi) = 0/(-1) = 0. Then you're done, assuming you know what Newton's method is.

This was actually a decent problem.
 
I've used f(x) = tan x - x

and manage to find
tan2cj= (-pi + xj - tan xj)/(pi - xj)

From intermediate theorem,
xj+1 = xj - (tan xj - xj)/tan2xj

Hence, I get
tan2cj
= (-pi + xj+1 - tan xj + (tan xj - xj)/tan2xj))/ (pi-xj)

I have tried all sorts of method to evaluate this but still couldn't get the form (pi-xj+1)/(pi-xj)...

I have tried opening the tan x, but still stuck...

Did I do it correctly? Do you mind providing any hints?
 
You shouldn't go back to the intermediate value theorem. The problem statement tells you that we're approximating pi with Newton's method. The fact that pi is defined as smallest positive number r when sin r = 0 makes it clear how the sequence that defines Newton's method is generated here. We are approximating a root of sin(x) basically. Now write out the sequence that defines Newton's method.
 
Oh! Thank you so much!
 

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