Newton's Third Law Explained: Is it for Cushions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of Newton's Third Law in the context of punching a soft cushion. Participants explore whether the law applies when the force exerted on the cushion does not result in an equal and opposite reaction due to the cushion's deformation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if Newton's Third Law applies when punching a soft cushion, suggesting that the force may not be fully transmitted due to the cushion's deformation.
  • Another participant argues that the law still holds, stating that the force exerted on the cushion is equal to the force the cushion exerts back, regardless of the cushion's softness.
  • A further contribution explains the mechanics involved when punching, noting that the deceleration of the hand and arm upon impact with the cushion is less than that with a harder surface, leading to a lower force experienced.
  • Participants reference the relationship between stopping distance and force, indicating that a longer stopping distance results in lower deceleration and force when interacting with a cushion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of Newton's Third Law in this scenario. While some affirm that the law applies, others raise questions about the implications of force transmission when dealing with deformable objects like cushions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of force application in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the definitions of force and deformation, as well as the conditions under which Newton's laws are applied. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of these assumptions.

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Please anybody explain me ... if i punch a soft cushion hardly say "F" force will thw cusion hurt me with the same ... every body says "NO" ok all right everybody says "you, in this case have not applied the "F" force because most part of it is wasted in changing the shape of cusion " so here comes the question what happens with the Newtons third law?
is it not meant for the things like cushion??
please explain ??
 
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spectrum123 said:
Please anybody explain me ... if i punch a soft cushion hardly say "F" force will thw cusion hurt me with the same ... every body says "NO" ok all right everybody says "you, in this case have not applied the "F" force because most part of it is wasted in changing the shape of cusion " so here comes the question what happens with the Newtons third law?
is it not meant for the things like cushion??
please explain ??
Newton's 3rd law applies just fine. Since the pillow is light and soft, you simply cannot punch it hard. But whatever force you do manage to exert on it, the pillow will exert an equal and opposite force on you.
 
When you punch something you initially accelerate your hand and arm to a velocity. Let's call that Vpunch. When it hits the object your hand and arm have to decelerate from Vpunch to zero again.

If you know the stopping distance "s" you can can apply the equation of motion

V^2=U^2 + 2as

to work out the deceleration "a".

Then if you know the mass of your hand and arm "m" you can work out the force the object needs to apply to your hand and arm to slow it down using

F=ma

The stopping distance "s" for a cushion is much longer than that of a wall. Than means "a" and "F" is lower for a cushion than a wall.

Doc Al is also correct. Newtons law means that at all times the force your hand applies to the object is the same as that which the object applies to your hand.
 
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thank i got it. "Cwattera and Doc al"
 
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spectrum123 said:
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ok now i got it thanks
 

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