Noise in Circuits: Causes & Solutions

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This discussion focuses on the causes of noise in electronic circuits, particularly in clipping circuits. Noise is defined as the inherent movement of electrons, influenced by ambient conditions such as temperature, which adds to the output signal. Clipping a sine wave introduces odd harmonics (3rd, 5th, and 7th) that contribute to circuit noise. The Johnson-Nyquist equation provides a theoretical limit for noise in circuits, with a nominal noise limit of approximately -114 dBm per MHz.

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I wonder if anyone could tell me how and why the noise is created by the any electronic circuit or clipping circuit?

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Why does any electronic circuit function? The underlying form of energy is electrical. Electrical energy may be represented by movement of electrons. When a particular signal passes through a circuit, it causes the electrons present in the devices of that circuit (R, L, C) to move in a certain way.

However, the movement of electrons in a device is also affeced by ambient conditions (temperature primarily). These conditions give the electrons present in the device some inherent energy (kinetic energy). As these electrons are already moving in a certain way, the signal reproduced at the output of the circuit is the additive sum of the input signal plus the inherent movement of the electrons. We call this inherent movement 'noise'.
 
Clipping a sine wave results in higher frequency harmonics. These extra frequencies can get into your circuit and is called "noise" albeit not like the random/thermal noise that chaoseverlasting mentioned.

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Here the extra frequencies due to clipping are odd harmonics; hence the 3,5,&7.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/audio/amp.html"
 
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The lower noise limit in an electronic circuit is given by the Johnson-Nyquist equation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson–Nyquist_noise

where kB is the Boltzmann constant 1.38 x 10-23 Joules per degree Kelvin.

In addition, there is an amplifier "noise figure", representing amplifier input noise, to be added to the total circuit noise, referenced to the input.

Very nominally, the noise limit is ~ -114 dBm per MHz.

[added note]

kBT = 1.38 x 10-23 x 106 x 293 = 4.04 x 10-12 milliwatts per MHz.

10 Log (4.04 x 10-12) = -113.9 dBm per MHz

Bob S
 
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Most likely this can only be answered by an "old timer". I am making measurements on an uA709 op amp (metal can). I would like to calculate the frequency rolloff curves (I can measure them). I assume the compensation is via the miller effect. To do the calculations I would need to know the gain of the transistors and the effective resistance seen at the compensation terminals, not including the values I put there. Anyone know those values?

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