Non continuously differentiable but inner product finite

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The discussion centers on the concept of Green's function and the implications of using non-continuously differentiable functions in inner product spaces. Specifically, it addresses the confusion surrounding the definition of the operator L applied to a function u that is not continuously differentiable, leading to the conclusion that while Lu may not be square-integrable, the inner product remains well-defined in a larger function space. The example provided illustrates that even with kinks in the function, the inner product can still yield finite results, emphasizing the importance of understanding function spaces beyond L2.

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Hello,

I was trying to understand Green's function and I stumbled across the following statements which is confusing to me.

I was referring to the following site

http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~gerlach/math/BVtypset/node79.html

Here the author says the following

"What if $ u$ is not a continuously differentiable function? Then its image $ Lu$ is not square-integrable, but the inner product <v, Lu> is still well-defined because it is finite. For example, if u is a function which has a kink, then $ Lu$ would not be defined at that point and $ Lu$ would not be square-integrable. Nevertheless, the integral of $ \overline v Lu$ would be perfectly finite."

I don't understand the fact is if Lu is not defined how can u define an inner product with v at any point, ie <v, Lu>. What does it mean physically at all, is it a mathematical jugglery to move the L operator to v and then say that look it is still defined? I am totally confused.

Thanks a lot for any help in advance.
 
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Why do you say "Lu is not defined"? If Lu is not square-integrable, then it is not in L2 but it is in some larger space, of which L2 is a subspace. The innerproduct can be defined in that larger space.
 
Hi,

I say L is not defined because of the following. Let's give an example. Since L can be d^2/dx^2 + a(x) d/dx + b(x) and if u consider the function u s.t

for say (a< x <b), a<0, b >0

u(x) = 0 x<0,
= x x>= 0

The fn u is cont but is not differentiable at x = 0. So I am not sure how for such functions u can define the operator like this. This is my question.

Regards
Sumanta
 

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