Non-Metal Magnetism: Answers for a Curious Freshman

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The discussion revolves around the concept of magnetism in non-metals, particularly exploring whether non-metallic materials can exhibit magnetic properties, the influence of magnetic fields on electrons, and hypothetical applications of magnetism in manipulating materials without chemical interactions. The scope includes theoretical considerations, speculative scenarios, and some technical explanations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that non-metallic ferromagnets exist, citing examples like chromium (IV) oxide and predicted ferromagnetic phases in solid hydrogen under high pressure.
  • It is noted that ferromagnetism is not observed in liquids due to interatomic distances and that gases do not exhibit ferromagnetic overlap due to atomic spacing.
  • One participant questions the possibility of using a strong magnetic field to influence free electrons to move objects like plastic without chemical interaction, suggesting a form of "mechanic telepathy." This idea is met with skepticism.
  • Another participant mentions that adiabatic demagnetization is used for refrigeration at low temperatures but does not support the idea of using magnetism to cool objects through thermal oscillation manipulation.
  • There is a discussion about the weak response of most plastics to magnetic fields, with a reference to recent advances in polyaniline-based ferromagnetic plastics.
  • A participant suggests that under extreme conditions, an electron plasma can behave like a solid, forming a Wigner crystal, but this state can be disrupted by proximity to real solids.
  • Further inquiry is made about whether a perturbed electron plasma could still act as a liquid and manipulate other solids.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using magnetic fields to manipulate non-metallic materials and the behavior of electron plasmas. There is no consensus on the speculative scenarios presented, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the practical implications of these ideas.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific conditions, such as temperature and pressure, which are not universally applicable. The discussion includes speculative ideas that may not have clear physical grounding.

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I'm a freshman in college with only AP physics knowledge, and I'm curious about many aspects of physics. One of the thing that sparks my interest is magnetism and I was wondering if it is possible to have magnetic or electromagnetic force exerted on non-metals (maybe even noble gases). It would be nice if you go into the details such as what makes a magnetic particle magnetic (and why is it so exclusive that even liquid metals are not magnetic).
 
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Yes, it is possible to have non-metallic ferromagnets. As a common example, the ubiquitous magnetic tape of the 80s and 90s was made from the non-metallic chromium (IV) oxide. It is also predicted that at very high pressures, solid hydrogen possesses a ferromagnetic phase.

Ferromagnetism is not observed in liquids since it strongly depends on interatomic distances, which are much more closely fixed in a solid than in a liquid. In gases, the atoms are too far apart from each other to have ferromaggnetic overlap.
 
Thank you for your response and I apologize for my erroneous post. I have a few more questions though. My first question is very sci-fi and hypothetical. Can a strong and controlled magnetic field influence electrons well enough to move objects such as plastic without chemically interacting with it (sort of like mechanic telepathy)? And even more far fetched, would it be possible to chemically engineer with it? Also can you use magnetism to cool down objects by lowering their thermal oscillations with the Doppler effect (similar to laser cooling), and if so, where would the energy go?
 
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First question: No

Second question: Not quite, but something called adiabatic demagnetization is used for refrigeration at low temperatures (below 4K).

Such fridges are made by e.g. CMR
http://www.cmr.uk.com
 
Cool. I'd like to know why it's "no" for my first question though.
 
If you ignore the recent advances in polyaniline-based ferromagnetic plastics, the answer is "no" because all (other) plastics (which are para/dia-magnetic) respond very, very weakly to magnetic fields.
 
I didn't mean the electrons in a plastic molecule I meant free floating electrons guided by an electric field. Basically, I want to know if a really powerful magnet can act as a sort of substitute nucleus so that the electrons operate like a solid, whose strength is determined by the magnetic field.
 
Unfortunately, your question in not physically meaningful, and you'll be hard-pressed to find a meaningful response to it...or perhaps, you're not being very clear in stating explicitly what situation you envision. It is thus difficult for us to respond.
 
If you create an electromagnetic field that forces electrons to maintain a specific form, would it act as a solid, repelling the valence shells of other atoms without causing chemical reactions?
 
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If you create an electromagnetic field that forces electrons to maintain a specific form, would it act as a solid, repelling the valence shells of other atoms without causing chemical reactions?
At zero (or very, very low) temperautres and very large B-fields, the ground state of an electron plasma is something known as a Wigner crystal (i.e., the electrons form a lattice structure, just like the atoms in a crystal). This is essentially saying that an electron plasma can indeed be made to behave like a solid, under certain extreme conditions. However, if you perturb the plasma by bringing it into the vicinity of a real solid, then the plasma will be snapped out of its crystalline state.
 
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If it is snapped out of its state, can it still act as a liquid and manipulate other solids?
 

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