Noninverting op amp doesn't work on a highly resistive load

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the performance of a noninverting operational amplifier (op amp) when driving a highly resistive load of approximately 5000 Mega ohms. Participants explore the implications of load resistance on gain, particularly in low-frequency applications, and the challenges faced by the original poster in achieving expected output levels.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the op amp works well with smaller resistive loads but experiences a significant drop in output amplitude when the load is increased to 5000 Mega ohms.
  • Another participant questions the completeness of the original post, suggesting that more information about the circuit and intended application is necessary for a meaningful response.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of achieving expected gain with such a high load resistance, likening it to an open circuit condition.
  • Concerns are raised about potential issues with the output voltage drive circuit compliance and whether the op amp is hitting output rails as load resistance increases.
  • A few hypotheses are proposed regarding possible reasons for the gain reduction, including oscillation, incorrect prototype construction, measurement apparatus issues, or overlooked specifications in the datasheet.
  • Participants emphasize the importance of providing detailed component values and circuit schematics to facilitate troubleshooting.
  • There is a suggestion that dirt or contamination on the circuit board could affect performance, particularly at high resistances, although this is debated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the cause of the gain reduction when increasing load resistance. Multiple competing views and hypotheses are presented, indicating uncertainty regarding the underlying issues.

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Limitations include a lack of detailed information about the circuit configuration, component values, and the specific application context. Participants express varying levels of confidence in their assessments, and the discussion reflects a range of technical perspectives.

  • #31
hutchphd said:
Did you use FR4 for the boards?
It's better to use teflon or other special material, technique using guard ring also common, BUT I actually cut groove around the critical junctions ( actually cut all the way through) on the pcb to avoid creepage. I have been using this technique for high impedance and high voltage isolation. There's similarity between the two, surface creepage is a very a important thing. This technique allow me to use cheaper material and not as critical in cleaning...I am born cheap,cheap is my middle name!
Reduce creepage.jpg

I used round can opamps at the time, I created footprints that had pins farther apart so I can cut groove around pin 2 ( this is standard pin out of opamps, 2 is -ve input, 3 is positive, 6 is output, 4 is -V, 7 is +V). I made the trace of the -ve input as short as possible as shown. I layout my own pcb, I don't want to hear complain from the pcb designers that it's too hard, too much trouble... From my experience with HV, high impedance and high speed RF, pcb layout is where you win or loss the war, I layout all my pcbs.

Some people use standoff for the -ve input of opamp too. I tend NOT to do that if I can help it. Cost money to custom assemble.
 
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  • #32
I am seeing many attempts to help answer a question that is simply bait.

The circuit given was from the application data without substantial detail.

And how is the output being used,, a "rad" meter?, a programable electrostatic device at a few hundred volts?, a smoke detector than uses a nominal 100-1000meg ohms.

And there may be confusion as to where the load resistor is being used as in the comment on not seeing RL as needed, (from the ap data circuit).

Many tried to explain that sometimes simply taking the measurement disrupts the measurement. Did someone say...

[Post edited slightly by a Mentor after a PM discussion]
 
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