Nonlinear transformer model for simulation in LTSpice

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the search for a comprehensive nonlinear transformer model suitable for simulation in LTSpice. Participants explore various factors that should be included in the model, such as hysteresis characteristics, skin and proximity effects, leakage inductance, hysteresis loss, and eddy current loss.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a free and comprehensive nonlinear transformer model for LTSpice that accounts for various nonlinear factors.
  • Another participant asks for details on what the original poster has found in their searches and encourages sharing of models that are close to their requirements.
  • Some participants suggest using behavioral sources against ideal models to implement systems of equations for modeling transformers, noting the flexibility of b-sources in LTSpice.
  • One participant shares a link to a specific nonlinear transformer SPICE model they found, expressing a desire for a more comprehensive and user-friendly model based on existing LTSpice nonlinear inductor models.
  • Another participant suggests searching for ferrite core models in Pspice, indicating the availability of actual model data for commercial ferrite cores.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying approaches to modeling nonlinear transformers, with no consensus on a single model or method. Some prefer behavioral sources, while others seek specific pre-existing models. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach or model to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention multiple options with various trade-offs for modeling transformers, indicating that the effectiveness of different approaches may depend on specific requirements or preferences.

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I am looking for a comprehensive nonlinear transformer model, which should be available free, readily available for simulation in LTSpice and able to take account of various factors of nonlinear transformer including hysteresis characteristic, skin and proximity effect, leakage inductance, hysteresis loss and eddy current loss...etc

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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alan123hk said:
I am looking for a comprehensive nonlinear transformer model, which should be available free, readily available for simulation in LTSpice and able to take account of various factors of nonlinear transformer including hysteresis characteristic, skin and proximity effect, leakage inductance, hysteresis loss and eddy current loss...etc

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
What have you found in your searches so far? Can you post some of the models that come the closest to what you want?
 
Personally, I usually use behavioral sources against the ideal model to just directly implement whatever system of equations (obviously there are multiple options with various trade-offs) you plan to use to model the transformer. I find that easiest.

Note: A b-source can even take derivatives and integrals, etc.
http://ltwiki.org/?title=B_sources_(complete_reference)

If you prefer a schematic based approach to build up the model you'll likely find this link helpful.
http://ltwiki.org/?title=Transformers
 
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berkeman said:
What have you found in your searches so far? Can you post some of the models that come the closest to what you want?

I have found several nonlinear transformer spice models. They are good and very similar. This is an example below.
http://www.beigebag.com/case_xfrmer_1.htm

However, I still hope to be more comprehensive, easier to use, and more importantly based on the existing nonlinear inductor model in LTspice. This helps simplify the simulation preparation in LTspice
 
eq1 said:
Personally, I usually use behavioral sources against the ideal model to just directly implement whatever system of equations (obviously there are multiple options with various trade-offs) you plan to use to model the transformer. I find that easiest.

Note: A b-source can even take derivatives and integrals, etc.
http://ltwiki.org/?title=B_sources_(complete_reference)

If you prefer a schematic based approach to build up the model you'll likely find this link helpful.
http://ltwiki.org/?title=Transformers

This is exactly what I am looking for.
thank you for your help.
 
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Google "ferrite cores Pspice". You will find actual model data for a large number of commercial ferrite cores.
 

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