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Since the first day I learned the torsion I keep having the question how a nonvanishing torsion is likely to occur because based on the definition formula of the torsion, it looks like the torsion always vanishes. I have come back to think about this question a couple of times after my first encounter with it, but always feel the same and am puzzled. I know I shall be wrong because if the torsion always vanishes, why do people bother to define it? But I just can't find out where I am wrong. I put my argument as follows, hoping someone can point out where I am wrong.
Given a manifold V with connection \nabla^\rm{V}, if \bf{X} and \bf{Y} are vector fields on the tangent bundle of V, the torsion at a point \rm{p}\in \rm{V} is defined as T=\nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{X}\bf{Y}-\nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{Y}\bf{X}-[\bf{X},\bf{Y}]. In this formula, on the one hand, \nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{X}\bf{Y} is the projection of \bf{X}\bf{Y} into the tangent space of V at p, \rm{V_p}, and \nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{Y}\bf{X} is the projection of \bf{Y}\bf{X} into \rm{V_p}; on the other hand, [\bf{X},\bf{Y}]=\bf{X}\bf{Y}-\bf{Y}\bf{X} must be tangent to V so should be the tangent component of \bf{X}\bf{Y} minus the tangent component of \bf{Y}\bf{X}. Thus doesn't \nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{X}\bf{Y}-\nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{Y}\bf{X}=[\bf{X},\bf{Y}] always hold? Then doesn't the torsion T always vanish?
When V is a hypersurface of another manifold M with connection \nabla^\rm{M} (in this case \nabla^\rm{V} is treated as an induced connection), the above argument can also be understood by the Gauss equations: \textbf{X}\bf{Y}=\nabla^\rm{M}_\textbf{X}\textbf{Y}=\nabla^\rm{V}_\textbf{X}\textbf{Y}+\rm{B}(\textbf{X},\textbf{Y})\textbf{N}...(1)
\textbf{Y}\textbf{X}=\nabla^\rm{M}_\textbf{Y}\textbf{X}=\nabla^\rm{V}_\textbf{Y}\textbf{X}+\rm{B}(\textbf{Y},\textbf{X})\textbf{N}...(2), in which \rm{B} is the second fundamental form with the property \rm{B}(\bf{X},\bf{Y})=\rm{B}(\bf{Y},\bf{X}) and \textbf{N} is the unit normal vector field on V. Then from (1) and (2) we can get \bf{XY}-\bf{YX}=\nabla^\rm{M}_\bf{X}\bf{Y}-\nabla^\rm{M}_\bf{Y}\bf{X}=\nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{X}\bf{Y}-\nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{Y}\bf{X}, which says that the torsion always vanishes.
So when on Earth can a nonvanishing torsion ever occur?
Or does my argument in the second paragraph only apply to the case when V is embedded in a higher dimensional manifold because only in that case does saying projecting \bf{X}\bf{Y} into \rm{V_p} to get \nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{X}\bf{Y} make sense? If that's the case does that mean a nonvanishing torsion can only occur when V is not embedded in another mainfold, that is, a nonvanihing torsion can only occur to a non-induced connection?
Given a manifold V with connection \nabla^\rm{V}, if \bf{X} and \bf{Y} are vector fields on the tangent bundle of V, the torsion at a point \rm{p}\in \rm{V} is defined as T=\nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{X}\bf{Y}-\nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{Y}\bf{X}-[\bf{X},\bf{Y}]. In this formula, on the one hand, \nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{X}\bf{Y} is the projection of \bf{X}\bf{Y} into the tangent space of V at p, \rm{V_p}, and \nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{Y}\bf{X} is the projection of \bf{Y}\bf{X} into \rm{V_p}; on the other hand, [\bf{X},\bf{Y}]=\bf{X}\bf{Y}-\bf{Y}\bf{X} must be tangent to V so should be the tangent component of \bf{X}\bf{Y} minus the tangent component of \bf{Y}\bf{X}. Thus doesn't \nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{X}\bf{Y}-\nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{Y}\bf{X}=[\bf{X},\bf{Y}] always hold? Then doesn't the torsion T always vanish?
When V is a hypersurface of another manifold M with connection \nabla^\rm{M} (in this case \nabla^\rm{V} is treated as an induced connection), the above argument can also be understood by the Gauss equations: \textbf{X}\bf{Y}=\nabla^\rm{M}_\textbf{X}\textbf{Y}=\nabla^\rm{V}_\textbf{X}\textbf{Y}+\rm{B}(\textbf{X},\textbf{Y})\textbf{N}...(1)
\textbf{Y}\textbf{X}=\nabla^\rm{M}_\textbf{Y}\textbf{X}=\nabla^\rm{V}_\textbf{Y}\textbf{X}+\rm{B}(\textbf{Y},\textbf{X})\textbf{N}...(2), in which \rm{B} is the second fundamental form with the property \rm{B}(\bf{X},\bf{Y})=\rm{B}(\bf{Y},\bf{X}) and \textbf{N} is the unit normal vector field on V. Then from (1) and (2) we can get \bf{XY}-\bf{YX}=\nabla^\rm{M}_\bf{X}\bf{Y}-\nabla^\rm{M}_\bf{Y}\bf{X}=\nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{X}\bf{Y}-\nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{Y}\bf{X}, which says that the torsion always vanishes.
So when on Earth can a nonvanishing torsion ever occur?
Or does my argument in the second paragraph only apply to the case when V is embedded in a higher dimensional manifold because only in that case does saying projecting \bf{X}\bf{Y} into \rm{V_p} to get \nabla^\rm{V}_\bf{X}\bf{Y} make sense? If that's the case does that mean a nonvanishing torsion can only occur when V is not embedded in another mainfold, that is, a nonvanihing torsion can only occur to a non-induced connection?