Normal approximation to Poisson random variable

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The problem involves a Poisson random variable representing the number of asbestos particles in a sample of dust, specifically examining the probability of finding more than 10,000 particles in a 10 cm² area given a mean of 1000 particles per cm². The discussion centers around the application of the normal approximation to the Poisson distribution.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the random variables defined for 1 cm² and 10 cm² areas, questioning the calculations for expected value and variance. There is exploration of the normal approximation method and its application to the problem.

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Some participants have provided insights regarding the calculations of expected values and variances, while others have raised questions about the assumptions made in defining the relationship between the random variables. The discussion appears to be ongoing with various interpretations being explored.

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There is a mention of potential discrepancies in the solution manual regarding the equality of expected value and variance for the random variable Y. Participants are also considering the implications of the Poisson distribution's characteristics at high mean values.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that the number of asbestos particles in a sam-
ple of 1 squared centimeter of dust is a Poisson random variable
with a mean of 1000. What is the probability that 10 squared cen-
timeters of dust contains more than 10,000 particles?

Homework Equations


E(aX+b) = aE(X) + b
Var(aX) = a^2 Var(X)

The Attempt at a Solution


Let X = number of asbestos particles in 1\mbox{cm}^2. Define Y = number of asbestos particles in 10\mbox{ cm}^2. So we have Y=10X. Using the formula given above, we get E(Y)=10E(X) and Var(Y) = 100 Var(X). But since X is a Poisson random variable, we have E(X) = \lambda = Var(X) = 1000. So we get for Y variable, E(Y) = 10000 and Var(Y) = 100000. Then the probability we need to find is P(Y > 10000). Now we use the Normal approximation here. E(Y) = 10000 and Var(Y) = 100000. So P(Y \geq 10001.5). So we get the following expression
P\left(z \geq \frac{10001.5 - 10000}{\sqrt(100000)}\right)
So now I use pnorm function in R , to calculate this probability. It is

\mbox{pnorm(10001.5, 10000, sqrt(100000), lower.tail=F)}

which gives us 0.4981077. Is this right ? The solution manual for Montgomery and Runger says that E(Y) = \lambda = 10000 = Var(Y). Is that a mistake ?

thanks
 
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IssacNewton said:

Homework Statement


Suppose that the number of asbestos particles in a sam-
ple of 1 squared centimeter of dust is a Poisson random variable
with a mean of 1000. What is the probability that 10 squared cen-
timeters of dust contains more than 10,000 particles?

Homework Equations


E(aX+b) = aE(X) + b
Var(aX) = a^2 Var(X)

The Attempt at a Solution


Let X = number of asbestos particles in 1\mbox{cm}^2. Define Y = number of asbestos particles in 10\mbox{ cm}^2. So we have Y=10X. Using the formula given above, we get E(Y)=10E(X) and Var(Y) = 100 Var(X). But since X is a Poisson random variable, we have E(X) = \lambda = Var(X) = 1000. So we get for Y variable, E(Y) = 10000 and Var(Y) = 100000. Then the probability we need to find is P(Y > 10000). Now we use the Normal approximation here. E(Y) = 10000 and Var(Y) = 100000. So P(Y \geq 10001.5). So we get the following expression
P\left(z \geq \frac{10001.5 - 10000}{\sqrt(100000)}\right)
So now I use pnorm function in R , to calculate this probability. It is

\mbox{pnorm(10001.5, 10000, sqrt(100000), lower.tail=F)}

which gives us 0.4981077. Is this right ? The solution manual for Montgomery and Runger says that E(Y) = \lambda = 10000 = Var(Y). Is that a mistake ?

thanks

E(Y) = Var(Y) = 10000 are correct, Whether or not those are equal to λ depends on how you define λ.

The figure 0.498 is plausible. Since the mean is so large, the Poisson distribution looks very much like the normal, and you are asking for values greater than the mean by 0.01 standard deviations or more (so the answer ought to be just a bit less than 1/2).
 
Hi Ray, But from the Y = 10X, we should have Var(Y) = 100 Var(X).
 
IssacNewton said:
Hi Ray, But from the Y = 10X, we should have Var(Y) = 100 Var(X).

No. ##Y \neq 10X##. The ##10X## figure could be true only if each of the ten 1 cm2 pieces had exactly the same number of asbestos particles, so that 10 of them had exactly 10 times as many as the single one, and that would mean that there is no randomness at all. That does not describe your system.
 

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