Normal Force Ramps: Solving m's Motion Problem

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The discussion centers on calculating the minimum horizontal force F required to move a small block of mass m up a triangular ramp of mass M, which is placed on a frictionless table. The coefficient of static friction, denoted as u, plays a crucial role in determining the normal force acting on the block. Participants emphasize the importance of considering both the gravitational force m*g*sin(angle of ramp) and the applied force F when analyzing the normal force. The use of free body diagrams is recommended for clarity in solving the problem.

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  • Understanding of static friction and its coefficient (u)
  • Knowledge of free body diagrams and their application in physics
  • Familiarity with Newton's laws of motion
  • Basic trigonometry, particularly in relation to angles of inclination
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  • Study the principles of static friction in detail, focusing on its role in inclined planes
  • Learn how to construct and analyze free body diagrams for complex systems
  • Explore Newton's laws of motion with practical examples involving multiple masses
  • Investigate the effects of different angles of inclination on the forces acting on objects
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Problem: A small block of mass m rests on the rough, sloping side of a triangular block of mass M which itself rests on a horizontal frictionless table. If the coefficient of static friction is u determine the minimum horizontal force F applied to ramp M that will cause the small block m to start moving up the incline.

I'm pretty sure I know how to go about solving the problem, but after thinking about it so much I'm afraid I'm confusing myself about the normal force between the ramp and the block. Would I be correct in stating that I have to take in account part of the applied force F for the normal force? Or is it just m*g*sin(angle of ramp) for the block? I'm not sure I've ever done a problem that involves looking at both sides of a normal force. Let me know if you need a diagram of the problem or more proof of my thinking/work (believe me, I have plenty)
 
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if you show us your work would be more clear and if you use freedody diagram would be better.
 
I attached my freebody diagrams. Sorry for the iffy MS paint quality.
 

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