Normals from a point to a parabola

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The discussion revolves around the properties of normals from a point to the parabola defined by the equation $y^2=4x$. Participants explore the implications of two statements regarding the existence of normals through a specific point and the conditions under which these statements hold true.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that through the point (h,h+1), there cannot be more than one normal to the parabola if $h<2$ (Statement-1).
  • Others propose that the point (h,h+1) lies outside the parabola for all $h\neq 1$ (Statement-2), with some suggesting that this statement is a correct explanation for Statement-1.
  • One participant mentions that the cubic equation derived from the normal's equation must be analyzed to determine the number of solutions, indicating that it could have either one or three real roots.
  • Another participant discusses the conditions under which the cubic polynomial is strictly increasing, suggesting that $t^2 > h/3$ could imply only one real root exists.
  • There is a correction regarding the derivative of the cubic polynomial, with a participant stating that $f'(t) = 3t^2 - (h-2)$, which leads to further discussion on the implications of this derivative.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to interpret the inequality $t^2 > (h-2)/3$ and its implications for the values of $h$.
  • One participant concludes that they will choose option B, indicating that they do not see how Statement-1 can be deduced from Statement-2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between Statement-1 and Statement-2, with multiple competing views on their validity and implications remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the behavior of cubic polynomials and the conditions under which certain statements hold true, but these assumptions are not fully resolved within the thread.

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Problem:

STATEMENT-1: Through (h,h+1), there cannot be more than one normal to the parabola $y^2=4x$, if $h<2$.

STATEMENT-2: The point (h,h+1) lies outside the parabola for all $h\neq 1$.

A)Statement-1 is True, Statement-2 is True; Statement 2 is a correct explanation for Statement-1.

B)Statement-1 is True, Statement-2 is True; Statement 2 is NOT a correct explanation for Statement-1.

C)Statement-1 is True, Statement-2 is False.

D)Statement-1 is False, Statement-2 is True.

Attempt:

I figured out that the locus of the given point is $y=x+1$. I found that this equation is a tangent to given parabola, hence Statement-2 is certainly true.

I am unsure about how to proceed for Statement-1. Here's what I think:

The parametric coordinates of the given parabola is $(t^2,2t)$. The equation of normal in terms of $t$ is $y=-tx+2t+t^3$. As this normal passes through $(h,h+1)$, hence,

$$t^3+t(2-h)-(h+1)=0$$

But I am not sure how to proceed from here.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

EDIT: The title should be "Normals from a point to parabola". :p
 
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Re: Normals from a point to parabola

Pranav said:
The parametric coordinates of the given parabola are $(t^2,2t)$. The equation of normal in terms of $t$ is $y=-tx+2t+t^3$. As this normal passes through $(h,h+1)$, hence,

$$t^3+t(2-h)-(h+1)=0$$

But I am not sure how to proceed from here.
You want to know whether that cubic equation for $t$ has more than one solution. The cubic polynomial $f(t) = t^3+t(2-h)-(h+1)$ has either one real root or three real roots. If it has three roots then its graph must cross the axis three times. It would have to have a local maximum between the first two roots, and a local minimum between the second and third roots. So you could use calculus to find where (if anywhere) the turning points of $f(t)$ occur.
 
Re: Normals from a point to parabola

Hi Opalg!

Opalg said:
You want to know whether that cubic equation for $t$ has more than one solution. The cubic polynomial $f(t) = t^3+t(2-h)-(h+1)$ has either one real root or three real roots. If it has three roots then its graph must cross the axis three times. It would have to have a local maximum between the first two roots, and a local minimum between the second and third roots. So you could use calculus to find where (if anywhere) the turning points of $f(t)$ occur.

The question says that there should be only one normal i.e one real root. For the cubic to have only one real root, $f'(t)>0$ (f(t) must be strictly increasing) $\Rightarrow t^2>h/3$. I don't see what to do with the inequality I have got. :(
 
Re: Normals from a point to parabola

Pranav said:
For the cubic to have only one real root, $f'(t)>0$ (f(t) must be strictly increasing) $\Rightarrow t^2>h/3$. I don't see what to do with the inequality I have got. :(
That's not what I get from differentiating $f(t).$ In fact, $f'(t) = 3t^2 - (h-2).$
 
Re: Normals from a point to parabola

Opalg said:
That's not what I get from differentiating $f(t).$ In fact, $f'(t) = 3t^2 - (h-2).$

Sorry. :o

But the question still remains, how am I supposed to solve $t^2>(h-2)/3$? I am thinking that if h<2, the inequality always holds true but for any other h, we can always find a t which does not satisfy the inequality and hence, h<2 is the answer. Is this correct?
 
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Re: Normals from a point to parabola

Pranav said:
But the question still remains, how am I supposed to solve $t^2>(h-2)/3$? I am thinking that if h<2, the inequality always holds true but for any other h, we can always find a t which does not satisfy the inequality and hence, h<2 is the answer. Is this correct?
STATEMENT-1 is only concerned with what happens when $h<2$. You don't need to worry about what happens for any other $h.$
 
Re: Normals from a point to parabola

Opalg said:
STATEMENT-1 is only concerned with what happens when $h<2$. You don't need to worry about what happens for any other $h.$

Thanks Opalg! :)

I think I will go with B because I don't see how STATEMENT-1 can be deduced from STATEMENT-2.
 
Re: Normals from a point to parabola

Pranav said:
I think I will go with B because I don't see how STATEMENT-1 can be deduced from STATEMENT-2.
Nor do I. (Thinking)
 

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