Not getting how to simplify it

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The discussion centers around the simplification of a complex mathematical expression involving exponential functions and parameters α and β. Participants are seeking assistance in simplifying the expression, which appears to be related to a specific problem or model, but the context of its origin is not provided.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in simplifying the expression using Mathematica, stating that it returns the same expression without simplification.
  • Another participant points out that the expression is unreadable and suggests that clarity is needed for effective assistance.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of showing how the expression was derived, indicating that errors in the derivation could hinder simplification efforts.
  • There are suggestions to improve the readability of the expression by using proper formatting, such as using [itex] for inline LaTeX.
  • One participant notes that the provided expression may only be a slight improvement over previous attempts and reiterates the need for clarity on its origin.

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Participants generally agree that the expression needs to be clearer and that understanding its derivation is crucial for simplification. However, there is no consensus on the correctness of the expression or the methods for simplification, as some participants question its validity.

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hi..how can i simplify this..i tried on mathematica but i am getting nothing but the same expression\noindent\(\pmb{-e^{-x} \left(1-e^{-x}\right)^{-1+\beta } \left(1-\left(1-e^{-x}\right)^{\beta }\right)^{-1+\text{$\alpha $1}+\text{$\alpha $2}}

\left(-1+\left(1-\left(1-e^{-x}\right)^{\beta }\right)^{\text{$\alpha $3}}\right) (\text{$\alpha $1}+\text{$\alpha $2}) \beta +}\\

\pmb{\frac{\left(1-e^{-x}\right)^{\beta } \left(1-\left(1-e^{-x}\right)^{\beta }\right)^{-1+\text{$\alpha $1}+\text{$\alpha $3}} \left(\text{$\alpha

$1}+\text{$\alpha $3}-\left(1-\left(1-e^{-x}\right)^{\beta }\right)^{\text{$\alpha $2}} \text{$\alpha $3}\right) \beta }{-1+e^x}}\)

(mentor note: tried to fix this but it didn't look right)
 
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Amineen said:
hi..how can i simplify this..i tried on mathematica but i am getting nothing but the same expression

\noindent\(\pmb{-e^{-x} \left(1-e^{-x}\right)^{-1+\beta } \left(1-\left(1-e^{-x}\right)^{\beta }\right)^{-1+\text{$\alpha $1}+\text{$\alpha $2}}

\left(-1+\left(1-\left(1-e^{-x}\right)^{\beta }\right)^{\text{$\alpha $3}}\right) (\text{$\alpha $1}+\text{$\alpha $2}) \beta +}\\

\pmb{\frac{\left(1-e^{-x}\right)^{\beta } \left(1-\left(1-e^{-x}\right)^{\beta }\right)^{-1+\text{$\alpha $1}+\text{$\alpha $3}} \left(\text{$\alpha

$1}+\text{$\alpha $3}-\left(1-\left(1-e^{-x}\right)^{\beta }\right)^{\text{$\alpha $2}} \text{$\alpha $3}\right) \beta }{-1+e^x}}\)
What you wrote is unreadable.
 
[-e^{-x} (1 - e^-x)^{(-1 + β)} (1 - (1 - e^-x)^\β)^{(-1 + α1 + α2)}(-1 + (1 - (1 - e^-x)^β)^
{α3}) (α1 + α2) β ]+[ ((1 - e^-x)^β (1 - (1 - e^-x)^β)^{(-1 + α1 + α3)} (α1 + α3 - (1 - (1 - e^-x)^β)^{α2 }α3) β)]/ (-1 + e^x)
 
You don't show how this expression arose, so it's possible that you made an error somewhere along the way. If that's the case, it's futile to try to simplify something that starts off incorrect.
 
Amineen said:
[-e^{-x} (1 - e^-x)^{(-1 + β)} (1 - (1 - e^-x)^\β)^{(-1 + α1 + α2)}(-1 + (1 - (1 - e^-x)^β)^
{α3}) (α1 + α2) β ]+[ ((1 - e^-x)^β (1 - (1 - e^-x)^β)^{(-1 + α1 + α3)} (α1 + α3 - (1 - (1 - e^-x)^β)^{α2 }α3) β)]/ (-1 + e^x)
Proofread it. Use to make it readable. e^-x should be e^{-x}. ^\β is incorrect.
 
Amineen said:
{-e^{-x} (1 - e^-x)^{(-1 + β)} (1 - (1 - e^{-x})^{β})^{(-1 + α1 + α2)}(-1 + (1 - (1 - e^{-x})^{β})^ {α3}) (α1 + α2) }+{(1 - e^{-x})^{β} (1 - (1 - e^{-x})^{β})^{(-1 + α1 + α3)} (α1 + α3 - (1 - (1 - e^-{x})^{β})^{α2 }α3) β)}/ (-1 + e^{x})
Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/not-getting-how-to-simplify-it.861153/
This is onlyl a slight improvement over what you've already written. Also, the link you added is to this very same thread.
As I already said,
Mark44 said:
You don't show how this expression arose, so it's possible that you made an error somewhere along the way. If that's the case, it's futile to try to simplify something that starts off incorrect.

You need to show us where the expression above came from. Otherwise I'm going to close this thread.
 

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