Nuclear-Electric SSTO Vehicle: Best Propulsion Mechanism?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the exploration of various nuclear-electric propulsion mechanisms for single-stage-to-orbit (SSTO) vehicles. Participants examine different technologies, including MagnetoHydroDynamic (MHD) systems, Pulsed Inductive Thrusters (PIT), and Alkali Metal Thermo Electric Conversion (AMTEC), while considering their potential advantages and challenges in aerospace applications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that using MHD for coupling thermal energy from a nuclear reactor to propellant flow is safer than direct contact methods, as it avoids radioactive debris in the exhaust.
  • Another participant mentions the Ajax, a Soviet design for a nuclear-powered hypersonic vehicle, and questions why it was not designed for self-powered takeoff.
  • There is a proposal that ionizing the airstream could enhance propellant characteristics and reduce frictional heating and turbulence.
  • One participant introduces PIT as a plasma-electric propulsion method that could be advantageous for its flexibility and instant-on-off capabilities.
  • Another participant discusses the potential of using electric superconducting turbofans in conjunction with nuclear power to achieve significant performance improvements in aircraft.
  • AMTEC is mentioned as a feasible conversion system for nuclear outlet temperatures up to ~1500°C, raising questions about its applicability.
  • There is speculation about the use of buckyonions as a potential propellant for electric thrust, particularly in relation to the Lorentz force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the effectiveness and feasibility of different nuclear-electric propulsion systems, with no consensus reached on which method is superior. The discussion remains open-ended, with multiple competing ideas presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific technologies and designs, but there are limitations in terms of assumptions made about their feasibility and performance. The discussion does not resolve the technical challenges associated with each proposed method.

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I've been fascinated by the idea of using a nuclear reactor (either pebble-bed or particle-bed)as a powerplant for an aerospace vehicle, but of course there is the problem of coupling the thermal energy to the propellant flow by direct contact without having bits of radioactive debris from the reactor coming out in the exhaust. MHD at least avoids this, by using electromagnetism to couple the reactor's power with the flowstream, instead of direct contact. To me, this is obviously the safest way to use nuclear power to get to orbit. My understanding is that NASA's recently discontinued Prometheus reactor was based on the SAFE-400 pebble bed design.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electric_rocket

I came across this mention of the Ajax, which was a Soviet design for a nuclear-powered MagnetoHydroDynamic hypersonic vehicle, apparently sled-launched (I don't know why they didn't have something that would take off under its own power)

http://translate.google.com/transla...ets/ajax/ajax.htm&sl=ru&tl=en&history_state0=


I was further thinking that ionization of the oncoming airstream would not only turn it into a good propellant, but would improve its flow characteristics as well, reducing frictional heating and turbulence. We also now know that control surfaces can be devised which use electrostatics to affect the slipstream around the aircraft even at high mach conditions.
I've read that electrical control surfaces can even be used to reduce the stall speed of conventional aircraft.

Another technology I was reading about was PIT (Pulsed Inductive Thruster) which seems to me to be the plasma-electric equivalent of the Pulse Detonation Engine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsed_inductive_thruster

Like PDEs, this seems to be an interestingly flexible form of propulsion, which seems very well suited to the instant-on-off cyclability of electric current.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930023164_1993023164.pdf

It seems to me that with PIT, you could use it in a DC-X type of VTVL rocket, so that you could take off and land on Earth, Moon and Mars in the same way regardless.
Unlike the hypersonic flight regime, you'd quickly clear the atmosphere and fly friction-free to orbit, and similarly you could also make powered landings.

I'm then wondering what the opinions are on which is the superior form of nuclear-electric propulsion. For example, is it PIT or MHD - or is it something else? What are the pro's and cons of each? Comments?
 
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For aircraft you might consider driving a generator and using electric superconducting turbofans as discussed https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2292842&postcount=14", since if you have nuclear you might see performance like this:
-737 traditional fuel load = 26 tons
-737 engine power cruise (x2): 5.5MW [24kN * 228m/s]
-Replace fuel load w/ Hyperion 25MW(e) small reactor. Weight, size: 15-20 tons, 1.5M OD x 2M

Range: Five years aloft
 
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One conversion system I'd read about was called AMTEC (Alkali Metal Thermo Electric Conversion), which is supposed to be feasible for operation with nuclear outlet temperatures upto ~1500degC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkali-metal_thermal_to_electric_converter

I'd also wonder if buckyonions could become a useful propellant for electric thrust, with the possibility of good coupling with the Lorentz force.
 

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