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The discussion revolves around the energy production of nuclear power plants, the conversion of energy to mass in nuclear weapons, and the implications for safety. Participants explore the calculations related to energy in Joules, the weight of energy, and the mass converted to energy in nuclear explosions.

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  • PhysicsJoe questions the energy output of a nuclear power plant and its conversion to Joules, seeking clarification on the weight of energy and mass conversion in a nuclear bomb.
  • Some participants provide calculations for converting kilowatt-hours to Joules, with one participant asserting that a typical nuclear power plant produces about 50 million kWh per day, while another states 15 million kWh.
  • Dr. Gregory Greenman explains that energy does not have weight and discusses the specifics of nuclear fission, including the energy released per fission event.
  • There is a discussion about the mass converted to energy in a 900 kiloton bomb using Einstein's equation E = mc², with calculations presented for the mass equivalent.
  • Some participants clarify that the safety of nuclear reactors is distinct from the mass-energy conversion in nuclear weapons, emphasizing the differences between the two.
  • There is mention of how to calculate the minimum amount of U-235 fissioned for different yield weapons based on the specific energy of fission.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the energy output of nuclear power plants, with no consensus reached on the exact figures. The discussion also highlights a lack of agreement on the implications of nuclear energy production versus nuclear weaponry.

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Some calculations and assumptions regarding energy conversion and mass-energy equivalence are presented, but there are unresolved questions about the practical implications for safety and the specific energy values used in the discussion.

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Now a power plant produces 15 million kilowatt-hours of electricity per day, enough to power a city like Salem. So this leaves me with three questions, let’s see if you guys can help me out with them.

What would the amount of energy be when converted to Joules?

How much does the above energy weigh?

The energy given off by nuclear weapons is measured in kilotons, where 1 kiloton equals 4 x 1012 Joules. How much mass is converted to energy in a 900 kiloton bomb?

Knowing that a lot of nuclear weapons exist, I want to see what the practical implications are for safety.
Thanks in advance.

PhysicsJoe
 
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1 Joule = 1 W-s, so 1 kJ = 1 kW-s, where s = second. 1 Watt (W) = 1 Joule/sec.

Energy does not weigh anything. Matter in a gravity field has weight = mass * acceleration of gravity.

In nuclear fission, e.g. in U-235, approximately 200 MeV is released, of which about 175 MeV goes to the kinetic energy of the fission products and prompt gammas. The composite nucleus (of U-235 + n) has atomic mass of 236 amu, and 1 amu = 1.66053886 × 10−27 kg. 1 MeV = 1.6022×10−13J

or the specific energy of fission is approximately 7.155 x 107 J/kg. or 71.55 MJ/kg.
 
A typical nuclear power plant produces more like 50 million kWh per day.
 
PhysicsJoe101 said:
Now a power plant produces 15 million kilowatt-hours of electricity per day, enough to power a city like Salem. So this leaves me with three questions, let’s see if you guys can help me out with them.

What would the amount of energy be when converted to Joules?

15e+06 kilowatt-hours = 15e+06 kilowatt-hours * 1000 watts/kilowatt * 3600 seconds/hour
= 5.4e+13 watt-sec = 5.4e+13 Joules

How much does the above energy weigh?

Energy doesn't "weigh" anything! Weight is how much force the Earth exerts on a quantity of matter.

The energy given off by nuclear weapons is measured in kilotons, where 1 kiloton equals 4 x 1012 Joules. How much mass is converted to energy in a 900 kiloton bomb?

For this you use Einstein's famous equation [tex]E = mc^2[/tex]

E = 900 kilotons = 900 kilotons * 4e+12 Joules/kiloton = 3.6e+15 Joules
= 3.6e+15 kg-m^2/s^2
= m c^2 = m ( 2.998e+08 m/s)^2 = m ( 8.988e+16 m^2/s^2)

Solving for m; m = 0.04 kg = 40 grams.

Knowing that a lot of nuclear weapons exist, I want to see what the practical implications are for safety.

Safety of what? Safety of nuclear reactors? The safety of a nuclear reactor has
absolutely NOTHING to do with how much mass is converted to energy in a weapon.

Nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons are VERY, VERY, DIFFERENT animals.

Dr. Gregory Greenman
Physicist
 
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russ_watters said:
A typical nuclear power plant produces more like 50 million kWh per day.
Russ,

Correct.

A typical nuclear power reactor produces about 1000 Megawatts = 1 Million Kilowatts.

In a day, there are 24 hours. So in a day a typical 1 Gw(e) = 1000 Mw(e) power plant
produces 24 Million kWh per day.

1000 Mw(e) is a round number. [Some larger reactors will do about 1300 Mw(e).]

Many, if not most; nuclear power plants have 2 reactors or 2 Units.

If each unit is 1000 Mw(e); then a 2 unit plant will produce 48 million kWh per day.

Dr. Gregory Greenman
Physicist
 
Astronuc said:
or the specific energy of fission is approximately 7.155 x 107 J/kg. or 71.55 MJ/kg.
Astronuc,

The specific energy of fission is how much energy you get from fissioning a given amount
of Uranium. However, there's still mass in the form of fission products on the product
side of the equation in addition ot the energy released.

I believe the question is not how much energy we can get from a given mass of uranium.

The question is how much mass was converted to energy.

For that; we use Einstein's famous equation [tex]E = mc^2[/tex]

Dr. Gregory Greenman
Physicist
 
But if PhysicsJoe101 wants to look at other yield weapons, all he has to do is divide by that value Astronuc gave him to find the minimum amount of U-235 that was fissioned.
 
Thanks

Wow, thanks for the answers guys.
 

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