Numb3rs: A Missed Opportunity for Mathematical Accuracy

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The discussion critiques a TV show that attempts to integrate mathematics into crime-solving but largely fails to deliver on its promise. Viewers express disappointment over the superficial use of mathematics, noting that the equations presented are often fictitious and irrelevant. The portrayal of the main character as a mathematician is criticized, as he appears less frequently than his crime-solving brother, and the mathematical content lacks depth. Some participants argue that the show aims to entertain rather than educate, while others hope it will promote interest in mathematics among the general public. Overall, the consensus is that the show misses the mark in effectively showcasing the role of math in solving crimes.
  • #91
tribdog said:
I think the hardest thing about Mathmatical equations is making sure they rhyme.

That's why we needed rho, so we could sing the rhyme "Rho rho rho your boat..." :rolleyes: Damn, I hate the sound of crickets after I try to tell a joke.

Franz, I hope you appreciate all we're doing for you here, just to ensure your entertainment is fully educational next week. :biggrin:
 
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  • #92
Icebreaker said:
The viewers of Numb3rs aren't expected to pass as PhD's.

They aren't even expected to pass kindergarten.


tribdog said:
I'd like to see that.
hmmmm
hey franz. isn't it true that the uncertainty principle proves that cats are never all the way dead, so it's illegal to bury them unless you cut two slits in the coffin?

I think it needs to be renamed "Schroedinger's tribdog" :-p


Moonbear said:
It's the one that looks like a funny p. Oh, never mind, just draw an oar; we can rho with that.

Franz, are you catching all this? CBS hired us as script writers for next week and we want to have a realistic equation this time.

This is what i get for actually going to class, quoting a beautiful mind the whole way there..."Classes will dull your mind and eliminate the potential for authentic creativitys, classes will dull your mind and..."

Moonbear said:
Yep, sounds like uncertainty to me. How about a rhino instead of a rho? That could make this really interesting. We need a twist in this plot somewhere. (Ba dum bum <<<<<groan>>>>>)

*GROAN*

Not funny.

tribdog said:
I think the hardest thing about Mathmatical equations is making sure they rhyme.

Ok, it started out funny, but no. Just no.
 
  • #93
Moonbear said:
That's why we needed rho, so we could sing the rhyme "Rho rho rho your boat..." :rolleyes: Damn, I hate the sound of crickets after I try to tell a joke.

Franz, I hope you appreciate all we're doing for you here, just to ensure your entertainment is fully educational next week. :biggrin:


Make an "H-bar" and grill joke and you'll be set. (its our physics department student lounge).

Throw in some knot theory too.
 
  • #94
franznietzsche said:
Ok, it started out funny, but no. Just no.

It was rho that messed it up, wasn't it? If tribdog hadn't exploded his eraser with liquid nitrogen, we could have just erased that. We're just trying to give the show the serious consideration it deserves. :smile:
 
  • #95
franznietzsche said:
Make an "H-bar" and grill joke and you'll be set. (its our physics department student lounge).

Kewl! :cool:

Throw in some knot theory too.

Great idea! Can we use colored strings to make the knots? That will make some good special effects amidst all those flying sigmas. :biggrin:
 
  • #96
Yeah from the two squares roots part it just went downhill.
 
  • #97
Moonbear said:
Kewl! :cool:



Great idea! Can we use colored strings to make the knots? That will make some good special effects amidst all those flying sigmas. :biggrin:


Sure. That'll do.
 
  • #98
franznietzsche said:
Yeah from the two squares roots part it just went downhill.
maybe we need three of them?
 
  • #99
tribdog said:
maybe we need three of them?

. . . N o . . .
 
  • #100
franznietzsche said:
Yeah from the two squares roots part it just went downhill.

Oh, I think to go downhill we need a higher order function. Maybe we need to add some braids between the knots.
 
  • #101
I tried to figure out the square root of 2, but I rounded it off. now I don't know what to call it.
 
  • #102
Moonbear said:
Oh, I think to go downhill we need a higher order function. Maybe we need to add some braids between the knots.

I'm going to cry.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
 
  • #103
franznietzsche said:
I'm going to cry.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Yeah, laughing too hard can bring tears to your eyes, can't it? :smile: :smile: :cry: :smile: :cry: :smile:

But, what if this is really what goes on in the room with the show's writers? :bugeye:
 
  • #104
Moonbear said:
Yeah, laughing too hard can bring tears to your eyes, can't it? :smile: :smile: :cry: :smile: :cry: :smile:

But, what if this is really what goes on in the room with the show's writers? :bugeye:


Laughter had about as much to do with it as...as...laughter has to do with falls from ten story buidlings.
 
  • #105
franznietzsche said:
Laughter had about as much to do with it as...as...laughter has to do with falls from ten story buidlings.

Woo hoo! Base jumping! Can we do it in base 13 instead of base 10 though? I hear that's more fun. :biggrin:
 
  • #106
Moonbear said:
Woo hoo! Base jumping! Can we do it in base 13 instead of base 10 though? I hear that's more fun. :biggrin:


My soul is dying and you're making jokes about number base systems?

Well actually my soul can't die anymore, its been sold too many times. You may only get two mortgages on your house, but I'm slick enough to have about 30 on my soul.

I'm wacthing some movie right now on FX. Its horrible, not in that its a bad movie, but it makes Nip/Tuck look like a bastion of sainthood by comparison. I'm laughing my ass off, and Machiavelli is cry tears of pride in his grave.
 
  • #107
Am I the only one intending to watch tonight's episode for the sole purpose of ridiculing it?
 
  • #108
Zorodius said:
Am I the only one intending to watch tonight's episode for the sole purpose of ridiculing it?

I already watched...well...sort of. I'm a few time zones ahead of you. This one was even worse than last week, if you can imagine it, so I couldn't even stay focused to laugh at it.
 
  • #109
Zorodius said:
Am I the only one intending to watch tonight's episode for the sole purpose of ridiculing it?

Nope, I watched it, and it seems like its repeating itself. Same premise as last episode, but now with a virus.
 
  • #110
motai said:
Nope, I watched it, and it seems like its repeating itself. Same premise as last episode, but now with a virus.

But now we know the weird math genius guy is a professor with security clearance! He sure doesn't look old enough to be a professor (and this is coming from a professor who still gets mistaken for a grad student on occasion).
 
  • #111
Sorry for bringing this really old thread back up, but couple things have to be cleared up. Most of the equations are true especially when Bill Nye is a guest. It is not ment to be a total math based show hence the Friday primetime spot and the most watched Friday night show. Also Moonbear if you read the background on the show you would understand that he went to Princeton at the age of 13 and is 30 now they reference that in the show too. Now don't take this the wrong way, I'm not tring to insult anyone and we are all allowed to have our opinion, also some of these points have been addressed after the first season and as you know most of the time the first season is not the greatest. Once again this is not ment to insult anyone and we are all allowed to think what we want to.
 
  • #112
Is anyone actually watching this show? I stopped before the first season ended, it's just too silly.

It's a fictitious tv show, who's going to read "background" about it? It would be different if it was about someone real, but it's not. Me thinks some people get too involved with their tv set. :biggrin:
 
  • #113
You know what would be sillier than the Numb3rs show itself? The Uncyclopedia entry on Numb3rs. It really cracks me up:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/NUMB3RS

Sorry if this is a little off-topic. Couldn't help it.
 
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  • #114
Defennder said:
You know what would be sillier than the Numb3rs show itself? The Uncyclopedia entry on Numb3rs. It really cracks me up:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/NUMB3RS

Sorry if this is a little off-topic. Couldn't help it.
That's funny.
 
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  • #115
I was about to tell Benzsk8 to stop necromancing old threads. However, even if he hadn't brought up this 3 year old thread, I wouldn't have seen this:
Defennder said:
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/NUMB3RS
Much better than that stupid show ever was. Thank you!

I also liked the connection to the show "Crimes Solved Instantly". Very apropos.
 
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  • #116
Evo said:
It's a fictitious tv show, who's going to read "background" about it? :
Well you should know that you need to underrstand the topic you are talking about before you say it is dumb. It's like saying E=MC^2 is a horrible concept because it was just used for the atomic bomb without talking about its other uses. Now I do say some of the ideas in numb3rs are off, but its a primetime show ment to entertain not be a math intensive lecture. The idea is to show normal people what math is used in.
 
  • #117
Benzsk8 said:
The idea is to show normal people what math is used in.
Well, then they've really missed the mark!

If it gets some kids more interested in math, that's great, but if you know math, watching the show is painful.
 
  • #118
Evo said:
but if you know math, watching the show is painful.

That misses the mark a bit. It's on a par with saying that getting a root canal is painful.

Some of my scientific and engineering cohorts used to wish that TV would have a show about our kind of work. My response was that any such show would either be terribly boring or terribly wrong. This show is both.

The TV producers need to make more Crimes Solved Instantly shows so my lawyer buddies at the bar have even more to gripe about. (Lawyers and investigators feel more or less the same about CSI and its ilk as those of us at PF feel about Numb3rs.)
 
  • #119
I agree that they miss the mark for math people, but from what I have read it's basically to show people how math is used in every day life like car remotes and gambling. It is also pointed to get kids interested in math because TI has a whole Numb3rs course for students. You also have to agree that some of the math is impraticle for the case. Is he really going to be able to do all that math in couple of hours?
 
  • #120
The first episode is actually almost an exact retelling of a case that was solved by the help of a Mathematician. I've heard that the math shown is actually some of the math that the guy used. Perhaps the people who think the math isn't used correctly aren't so knowledgeable in the areas covered in the show?
 

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