Number of Coordinates for Sphere Positions: Explained

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The discussion revolves around determining the number of coordinates required to specify all possible positions of a sphere, including considerations of rotation and the presence of distinguished points on the sphere's surface.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the number of coordinates needed based on whether the sphere has distinguished points and if it has a fixed radius. There are varying opinions on whether rotations require additional coordinates.

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Several participants have offered different perspectives on the number of coordinates needed, suggesting that the context (distinguished points, radius) significantly influences the answer. The discussion is ongoing with multiple interpretations being explored.

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There is a focus on whether the sphere is defined with specific points or is a generic sphere, as well as the implications of assuming a unit sphere for the discussion.

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How many coordinates are needed to know all the different positions of a sphere?

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Three, two for specifying every point of the sphere and one for rotating it to a different position. Is only one needed to rotate the sphere?
 
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Are there distinguished points on the sphere? And is the sphere of given radius?

If there are distinguished point on the sphere- that is, if you can distinguish one point from another (as on a globe of the earth), then you would require 5 coordinates: three to determine the center of the sphere, two angles to determine the rotations of the sphere in space.

If there are no distinguished points, if, say, the surface of the sphere is blank, then you would need three coordinates, to determine the center of the sphere. The rotations are irrelevant.

That is assuming that you are talking about a given sphere, with given radius. If you mean determine any (blank) sphere, then you will need four coordinates: three to determine the center of the sphere and one to determine the radius.
 
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Are there distinguished points on the sphere? And is the sphere of given radius?

If there are distinguished point on the sphere- that is, if you can distinguish one point from another (as on a globe of the earth), then you would require 5 coordinates: three to determine the center of the sphere, two angles to determine the rotations of the sphere in space.

If there are no distinguished points, if, say, the surface of the sphere is blank, then you would need three coordinates, to determine the center of the sphere. The rotations are irrelevant.

That is assuming that you are talking about a given sphere, with given radius. If you mean determine any (blank) sphere, then you will need four coordinates: three to determine the center of the sphere and one to determine the radius.


Let's assume the whole space is the sphere so the centre is the origin. Assume a unit sphere. Then two coordiates for the rotation?
 
If you are now talking about the possible positions of the unit sphere, then yes, you need to coordinates for the rotations. One way to think about that is to use "spherical coordinates", \rho, \theta, and \phi. Since the position of any point inside the sphere is determined once the points on the surface are fixed, we can take \rho= 1 and have \theta and \phileft as variables.
 

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