Number of electron of a Hydrogen atom (molecule)

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The discussion revolves around the normalization of the wave function for a hydrogen atom, specifically focusing on the 1s state and the integration of its probability density to determine the number of electrons. Participants explore the mathematical formulation, numerical integration techniques, and the correct dimensionality of the wave function.

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  • One participant presents a normalized 1D wave function for the hydrogen atom and attempts to compute the number of electrons through numerical integration, but reports an incorrect result.
  • Another participant points out that the wave function should be considered in three dimensions, emphasizing the need for spherical coordinates in the normalization process.
  • A correction is made regarding the normalization integral, clarifying that it should yield a factor of 4π instead of 2π.
  • There is a discussion about the boundaries of integration, with one participant questioning the limits for the radial and angular components.
  • A later post introduces a question about using a Gaussian function as a wave function for hydrogen, presenting two forms and asking for clarification on which is correct.
  • Participants discuss the normalization constant for the Gaussian wave function and the integration process, with one expressing confusion about achieving the correct normalization.
  • Another participant confirms the correct limits for the angular integration and reiterates that the radial wave function should follow an exponential decay rather than a Gaussian form.
  • There are attempts to clarify LaTeX formatting for mathematical expressions throughout the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the dimensionality of the wave function and the correct form of the Gaussian wave function. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the normalization of the Gaussian wave function and the integration limits.

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Participants note the importance of correctly applying spherical coordinates in the normalization process and the implications of using different forms of the wave function. There are unresolved questions about the integration boundaries and the proper normalization constant for the Gaussian function.

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Hi,
If the normalized 1D wave-function of hydrogen atom for n=1, l=0, m_l=0;

\psi_{1s}(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{\pi} a_{0}^{3/2}}e^{-x/a_{0}}

and probability distribution of wave-function,

\mid\psi_{1s}(x)^2\mid

so integration of rho over all x should give the number of electrons which is equal to 1

\int{\mid\psi_{1s}(x)^2\mid}dx=1

theory is simple and understandable. But when I apply a numerical procedure to this mathematical aspect I couldn't get the right result.
With a very simple computer program,hoping to find number of electrons, I use the easiest integration technique as converting integral to a discrete sum of each value of the charge density function multiplied by dx which is increment of variable x,

Code:
a0=0.53;
x=-10*a0:0.001:10*a0; 
R=-0.36;
NORM=1/sqrt(%pi*a0^3);
dx=20*a0/size(x,2);
nelect=0;

psi1s=NORM*exp(-abs((x-R))/a0);
rho1s=psi1s^2;
for i=1:size(x,2)
  nelect=nelect+rho(i)*dx;
end
return nelect;
Code:
> nelect= 1.1331234

But this doesn't return the correct value of nelect.

Am I making a fundamental mistake which I couldn't see right now?

Thanks
 
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torehan said:
If the normalized 1D wave-function of hydrogen atom for n=1, l=0, m_l=0;

Well, there's your problem: There's no 1-dimensional wave function here, it's a 3-dimensional function in spherical coordinates, where your 'x' is the radial distance (usually denoted r). It's just that you don't have an angle-dependency for s-type functions..

So the normalization is:
\int |\psi(\vec{x})|^2 dV = \int_0^{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}\int_0^\infty |\psi(r,\theta,\varphi)|^2 r^2 sin(\theta) dr d\theta d\varphi = 1

If you don't have an angle-dependency then you just integrate over the surface of a sphere, so:
\int_0^{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}\int_0^\infty |\psi(r,\theta,\varphi)|^2 r^2 sin(\theta) dr d\theta d\varphi = 2\pi \int_0^\infty r^2 |\psi(r)|^2 dr = 1
 
That last line should read:

\int_0^{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}\int_0^\infty |\psi(r,\theta,\varphi)|^2 r^2 sin(\theta) dr d\theta d\varphi = 4\pi \int_0^\infty r^2 |\psi(r)|^2 dr = 1
 
(1-(-1))*2*pi = 4*pi.. you're right! :)
 
Thanks for the replies.

But I'm not sure about the boundaries of the integration with respect to r and \varphi

I think the integration over all space must be like,

\int_0^{2\pi}\int_{0}^{\pi}\int_{-\infty}^\infty |\psi(r,\theta,\varphi)|^2 r^2 sin(\theta) dr d\theta d\varphi = 2\pi \int_{-\infty}^\infty r^2 |\psi_{1s}|^2 dr = 1

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Assuming that

<br /> \int_0^{2\pi}\int_{0}^{\pi}\int_{-\infty}^\infty |\psi(r,\theta,\varphi)|^2 r^2 sin(\theta) dr d\theta d\varphi = 2\pi \int_{-\infty}^\infty r^2 |\psi_{1s}|^2 dr = 1<br />

is correct,
If I use a Gaussian as a hydrogen 1s wave-function what would be the normalization constant?

(And here is the question one. Which one is the correct form for a Gaussian wave-function? 2nd. one?)
1.
\psi_{1s}(r)=Ne^{-r/a_{0}}
2.
\psi_{1s}(r)=Ne^{-r^2/a_{0}}
\int\mid\psi_{1s}(r)\mid^2dV=N^2\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}e^{r^2/a_{0}^2}dV=1
\int_0^{2\pi}\int_{0}^{\pi}\int_{-\infty}^\infty |\psi_{1s}(r,\theta,\varphi)|^2 r^2 sin(\theta) dr d\theta d\varphi = 2\pi \int_{-\infty}^\infty r^2 |\psi_{1s}(r)|^2 dr = 1

2\pi N^2\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}r^2dre^{r^2/a0^2}=1

where a=1/a_0^2
\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}r^2dre^{-ar^2}= \frac{1}{2}\sqrt{\frac{\pi}{a^3}}\frac{1}{2}\sqrt{\frac{\pi}{a^3}}=\frac{1}{2}\sqrt{\pi}a_0^3

N^2=\frac{1}{a_0^3 \pi^{3/2}}

I think derivation of normalization constant like that. Can you see anything nonsense?Even I integrate normalized wave-function I couldn't get the result 1. ouf!
 
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You're right that theta goes from 0 to pi. I missed that before. But r goes from 0 to infinity. A radius by definition must be greater than zero. So the angular integrals give:
\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^\pi sin(\theta)d\theta d\phi = 2\pi (-cos(\pi)+cos(0)) = 4\pi
Of course we know that the surface area of a sphere is 4 pi r^2, so the angular integral mustgive 4 pi. As far as the radial integral, the radial wavefunction goes like exp(-r/a0), not exp(-r^2/a0). Try this reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_atom
 
Trying again to get the LateX right. Note that:(e^{-\frac{r}{a_0}})^2 = e^{-\frac{2 r}{a_0}}, NOT e^{-\frac{r^2}{a_0^2}}
 
I have problems on getting used to latex.

Thanks
 

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