Number of ways to arrange n numbers in k groups

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The discussion focuses on calculating the number of ways to arrange n numbers into k distinct groups, where elements in one group are either all smaller or larger than those in another. The initial proposed formula includes terms that raise questions about their definitions, particularly when dealing with non-integer values. A key insight is that the correct approach involves using the binomial coefficient, specifically ## \binom {n-1}{k-1} ##, to represent the partitioning of numbers, assuming each group contains at least one number. The final solution incorporates the factorial of k to account for the distinct arrangements of the groups. The conversation emphasizes the importance of clarifying group size and distinctness in solving the problem accurately.
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Hello,

I was given a question (not a HW question..) in which i was asked to calculate the number of ways to sort n numbers into k groups, where for any two groups, the elements of one group are all smaller or larger than the elements of the other group.

The answer is supposed to be (k!)^{\frac{k}{n}}(\frac{k}{n}!)

I understand the term (\frac{k}{n}!)

as the it is the number of ways to arrange the groups. What I do not understand is the power of the first term.
Can anyone give me an intuitive answer where it comes from?
 
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What is your understanding of the meaning of ##
(\frac{k}{n}!)
##?

Since ##\frac{k}{n}## will be a fraction less than 1, its factorial is not defined.

The answer I get for this problem is a single combination, which is nothing like the suggested answer. Perhaps there is more detail in the question - additional specifications - that has been omitted.
 
my mistake, every k/n is supposed to be n/k.
 
ENgez said:
my mistake, every k/n is supposed to be n/k.
That doesn't help: x! is still only defined for integers. Furthermore, (k!)n/k is only going to yield an integer for a limited set of (n, k).

Assuming the groupings are not distinct so for instance {{1, 2}, {3, 4}} is identical to {{3, 4}, {1, 2}}, the correct answer is in fact a single binomial coefficient ## \binom {n-1}{k-1} ##

  1. Sort the numbers into ascending order.
  2. The problem can then be represented by partitioning a list of n star symbols into k groups separated by bars e.g. for (n=6, k=3) one solution is * | * * * | * *
  3. Assuming each group must contain at least one number, the number of arrangements for such a "stars and bars" problem can easily be seen to be ## \binom {n-1}{k-1} = \frac{(n-1)!}{(k-1)!(n-k-2)!} ##
 
tnx for the reply, but the groups are distinct, as I am interested in the number of ways to shuffle them around.
you can assume that n/k is an integer.
 
ENgez said:
tnx for the reply, but the groups are distinct, as I am interested in the number of ways to shuffle them around.
Then multiply the answer I gave by the number of ways to shuffle k groups which is simply k!.
ENgez said:
tnx for the reply, but the groups are distinct, as I am interested in the number of ways to shuffle them around.
you can assume that n/k is an integer.
Not necessary, however this makes me wonder whether the groups must be of equal size? If this is the case then the solution is trivial and I invite you to provide it - everything you need is in this thread.
 
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