Objects Falling in General Relativity

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of objects falling and their motion in the context of general relativity. Participants explore the nature of orbits, the role of forces in rotational motion, and the understanding of acceleration due to gravity on Earth, seeking qualitative explanations rather than quantitative ones.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) expresses confusion about how objects can rotate without a centripetal force and how they can change direction without torque, particularly in the context of general relativity.
  • OP questions how objects fall in straight paths on Earth and accelerate without an apparent force acting on them.
  • One participant shares a video link that may help visualize the concepts discussed, particularly regarding orbits and the curvature of space-time.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for the shared video, indicating it helped clarify their understanding of the topic.

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The discussion appears to be exploratory with no consensus reached. Participants share similar confusions and seek clarification, but differing viewpoints on the explanations remain unaddressed.

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Participants have varying levels of mathematical understanding, with some expressing a preference for qualitative explanations. The discussion does not resolve the underlying questions about forces and motion in general relativity.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in the foundational concepts of general relativity, particularly those who are new to the subject and seek qualitative insights into the nature of motion and gravity.

d-richard
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Greetings,
I've been learning about special relativity and most of the learning media included a part of general relativity. From that I learned that space-time is curved and orbits are nothing more than an object following a path in 4D. However I do not understand how those objects may rotate, as that requires a centripetal force, which in Newton's case was gravity. Also I do not understand how objects may change their velocity's direction without a force or torque in the case of rotational motion (the objects velocity constantly changes during rotation and its angular velocity increases from 0) I also do not understand how objects fall in straight paths on Earth and accelerate in the absence of a force or what keeps us stuck to the ground. Sorry for being so long and thanks for any answers.
P.S As my maths is pretty basic (linear algebra and Euclidean geometry only) I would appreciate a qualitative, not quantitative answer. However if any points must be shown mathematically, then I won't mind the use of maths. Thanks a lot.
 
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d-richard said:
I also do not understand how objects fall in straight paths on Earth and accelerate in the absence of a force

Check out this animation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdC0QN6f3G4

Orbits are more difficult to visualize in this way, because they involve 2 spatial dimensions, which together with time require visualizing a curved 3D manifold. An alternative analogy are light rays in a block of varying optical density:

http://www.nature.com/nphoton/journal/v7/n11/full/nphoton.2013.247.html?WT.ec_id=NPHOTON-201311
 
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I had the same doubt OP had and this video is simply perfect. I want to thank you A.T for sharing it! Really.

cb
 
thanks, that really clarifies things. Great video
 

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