Objects melt and burned if a high energy ray is shined unto it?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether all objects will melt or burn when exposed to high-energy rays, such as gamma rays. Participants explore the mechanisms of energy transfer into matter, including absorption, scattering, and the conditions under which these processes occur.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gamma photons will be absorbed by objects only if their energy matches the transition levels within the material.
  • Others argue that energy can also be transferred into matter through Raman scattering, although this may not be efficient.
  • A participant questions the distinction between virtual states and real transitions in the context of quantum mechanics and energy absorption.
  • There is mention of the Compton effect as another form of inelastic scattering that may contribute to crystal damage in x-ray experiments.
  • Some participants assert that in most materials, gamma ray photons will be transmitted rather than absorbed, challenging the idea that all objects will melt or burn.
  • Concerns are raised about the quantum efficiency of energy absorption processes compared to direct transitions with appropriately sized photons.
  • One participant emphasizes that while reflection is possible, transmission is typically the more likely outcome for gamma rays interacting with matter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of gamma rays when interacting with matter, with no consensus reached on whether all objects will melt or burn. Multiple competing perspectives on energy transfer mechanisms and their efficiencies remain present.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about photon interactions, the specific conditions under which scattering occurs, and the definitions of virtual versus real states in quantum mechanics. These aspects are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Will all objects melt and burned if a high energy ray like gamma ray is shined unto it? My guess is no, since gamma photons will be absorbed by the objects if the photon energy is the same as the transition levels in the object. If it doesn't, then the photons will not be absorbed, and just bounced off.
Is my understanding right?
 
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You can also get energy transfer into matter via Raman scattering. So if the light intensity is high enough and long enough you will get energy into the object. But, it may not be particularly efficient. In x-ray crystallography, for example, x-ray damage to the crystal is well known.
-Jim
 
JPRitchie said:
You can also get energy transfer into matter via Raman scattering. So if the light intensity is high enough and long enough you will get energy into the object. But, it may not be particularly efficient. In x-ray crystallography, for example, x-ray damage to the crystal is well known.
-Jim

I searched on Raman scattering, and it explains that in quantum mechanics the scattering is described as an excitation to a virtual state lower in energy than a real electronic transition with nearly coincident de-excitation and a change in vibrational energy.

If the atoms are capable of going to these virtual states, why should we distinguish them as virtual? Why not just a real transition?

Further, all the while I was talking that if atoms are bounded within a certain potential, say a finite well, it has quantized energies. Hence, only photons of specific energy can excite it to other levels. The only situation where an atom will absorb and have inelastic scattering is when it is a free particle, like in a Compton scattering.
 
Yes, the Compton effect is a good example of another kind of inelastic scattering. It may result in some of the crystal damage I mentioned in x-ray experiements. The virtual state mentioned in connection with the Raman effect hasn't been observed AFIK. Whatever the case, the Raman effect is very real, resulting in the excitation of molecular rotational and vibrational states and can be used in condensed phases. Chemists have used Raman spectroscopy quite a lot - a search on "Raman spectrscopy" at amazon.com turned up over twenty books on the subject. The intensities of Raman absorptions can be computed; they are related to polarization.

That's two examples of matter absorbing energy from photons larger than quantum state separations, both witnessed in decades of experiment.

The quantum efficiency of these processes is usually quite small compared to hitting an allowed pure quantum transition with the right-sized photon. In the case of Compton scattering, it complicates the analysis of the x-ray experiment for crystal structure determination.
-Jim
 
touqra said:
Will all objects melt and burned if a high energy ray like gamma ray is shined unto it? My guess is no, since gamma photons will be absorbed by the objects if the photon energy is the same as the transition levels in the object.
It is the excitation of some of these modes that actually results in melting. So your reasoning is incorrect.

If it doesn't, then the photons will not be absorbed, and just bounced off.
Not likely. In most materials, gamma ray photons will be transmitted through it.
 
Gokul43201 said:
It is the excitation of some of these modes that actually results in melting. So your reasoning is incorrect.

Not likely. In most materials, gamma ray photons will be transmitted through it.

You ignore the scattering processes above. A correct statement would be: "In materials, most gamma ray photons will be transmitted through."
Most, maybe, but not all, for sure.
-Jim
 
Of course, there's some tiny cross section for various scattering events - I was only pointing out that reflection was not typically the most likely outcome (compared to transmission).
 
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