Ocean salinity and its affect on surface tension

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the relationship between ocean salinity and surface tension, particularly how changes in salinity might influence coastal zones. Participants consider both theoretical implications and practical observations related to fluid dynamics and environmental effects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that decreasing ocean salinity will lead to a decrease in surface tension due to a reduction in density, although they acknowledge a lack of solid evidence for this claim.
  • Others question the significance of surface tension on larger scales, suggesting that it has a negligible effect in ocean and river flows and is not included in fluid mechanics models.
  • A participant raises the idea of observing effects at river mouths where salt and fresh water mix, noting a lack of obvious surface effects in these regions.
  • There is a suggestion that surface tension might impact evaporation rates, with some participants expressing skepticism about its significance on the scale of oceans and rivers.
  • One participant mentions that surface tension could influence the evaporation of droplets from breaking waves, potentially affecting marine aerosol generation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that surface tension is not a significant factor in studies of ocean skin layer dynamics and that coastal aquifer dynamics depend more on hydraulic conductivity and soil type.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of surface tension in relation to ocean salinity and its effects. There is no consensus on the impact of surface tension on coastal zones or evaporation rates, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that surface tension effects are typically relevant only at smaller scales, and the discussion includes various assumptions about the relationship between salinity, density, and surface tension without resolving these complexities.

DrClapeyron
How would decreasing ocean salinity affect surface tension, and how would this reduced surface tension affect coastal zones?

Seems to me that a decrease in salinity will decrease surface tension because density decreases with decreasing salinity. So I would think decrease in density would decrease surface tension. But I can't really find any solid evidence of this.

Also, how would this decrease in ocean surface tension (if true) affect coastal zones? Would coastal acquifer-level rise, clay expansion, decrease tidal salt, and flora/faunal changes lead toward erosion or slumping of anykind? I don't think freshwater lakes have any anamolous type of erosion going on that saline lakes or the oceans do not.
 
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DrClapeyron said:
How would decreasing ocean salinity affect surface tension, and how would this reduced surface tension affect coastal zones?

Seems to me that a decrease in salinity will decrease surface tension because density decreases with decreasing salinity. So I would think decrease in density would decrease surface tension. But I can't really find any solid evidence of this.

Also, how would this decrease in ocean surface tension (if true) affect coastal zones? Would coastal acquifer-level rise, clay expansion, decrease tidal salt, and flora/faunal changes lead toward erosion or slumping of anykind? I don't think freshwater lakes have any anamolous type of erosion going on that saline lakes or the oceans do not.

Google "surface tension of salt solutions"
 
You may want to consider what happens at river mouths, where salt and fresh water mix. Do you see anything unusual or different? I have never noticed any obvious effects on the surface of the water in these changing salinity regions.
 
On the scale of ocean and river flows, surface tension has a negligible effect. It is not included in fluid mechanics models of the ocean or rivers. In practice, surface tension effects apply only on much smaller scales. The effect of salinity on density, on the other hand, can affect the hydrostatics and the dynamics, and is usually taken into account.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
On the scale of ocean and river flows, surface tension has a negligible effect. It is not included in fluid mechanics models of the ocean or rivers. In practice, surface tension effects apply only on much smaller scales. The effect of salinity on density, on the other hand, can affect the hydrostatics and the dynamics, and is usually taken into account.
Chet
Would you expect surface tension to impact evaporation rates? Intuitively it seems it should, but intuition is not science.
 
Ophiolite said:
Would you expect surface tension to impact evaporation rates? Intuitively it seems it should, but intuition is not science.

Intuitively, I would think it's mainly an energy question imo, 2500 joule per gram, on which surface tension may not have much effect. But it's an excellent question to find out by experiment.
 
Ophiolite said:
Would you expect surface tension to impact evaporation rates? Intuitively it seems it should, but intuition is not science.

No. Not on the scale of oceans or rivers. Only on the scale of very small droplets.
 
it could affect the evaporization of droplets produced by breaking spray and thereby affect the generation of marin aerosols.
 
I don't think surface tension has an important influence.

Actually, surface tension is not even included in studies on the ocean skin layer dynamics. The only part where I'd see this in on bubble jets and spray production, but only to parameterize fluxes, mostly momentum and heat fluxes.

Coastal aquifers (saline intrusion in them) would depend on regular aspects such as hydraulic conductivity, soil type and so on. Surface tension is a feature of the microscale, so I think it's negligible.
 

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