ODE's: Find Change of Variables

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a differential equation of the form xy' = yf(xy), where participants explore various change of variables to simplify the equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Problem interpretation, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss multiple attempts at transforming the equation using different substitutions, such as v = xy and p = y'. There is a focus on how these transformations affect the separability of the equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided alternative transformations and noted the implications of their approaches. There is an acknowledgment that the differential equation can become separable under certain transformations, but there is still uncertainty about the overall effectiveness of these methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the handling of functions involving the product of two variables and question the thought process behind selecting appropriate substitutions.

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Homework Statement


xy' = yf(xy)


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The Attempt at a Solution


Attempt #1: F is a function of the product of x and y so I first thought of trying v = xy so dv = xdv + vdx but that would transform the equation into xy' = 1dv - vdx = yf(v).

Attempt #2: I tried vx = y and vy = x but nothing I've tried so far would transform the general form into something separable.

Attempt #3: I tried setting p = y' which would transform the original equation into xp = p2/2f(xy) since y = p2/2 which leads to 2x = pf(xy) but this is also a dead end.

I'm not sure how to deal with a function of the product x*y...
 
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Leptos said:

Homework Statement


xy' = yf(xy)

The Attempt at a Solution


Attempt #1: F is a function of the product of x and y so I first thought of trying v = xy so dv = xdv + vdx but that would transform the equation into xy' = 1dv - vdx = yf(v).

I'm not sure how to deal with a function of the product x*y...
Regarding attempt #1:

If v=xy , then v' = y + xy' or equivalently, dv = ydx + xdy.

Thus, xy' = v' - y . Now replace y by v/x .

I don't know if this does much to solve the D.E., but it's lots different than what you had.

xv' = v(1 + f(v))
 
SammyS said:
Regarding attempt #1:

If v=xy , then v' = y + xy' or equivalently, dv = ydx + xdy.

Thus, xy' = v' - y . Now replace y by v/x .

I don't know if this does much to solve the D.E., but it's lots different than what you had.

xv' = v(1 + f(v))
Ah, it was a misuse/abuse of notation on my part then. Silly me.
Still, what's the thought process in the first place when we're dealing with a function of the product of two variables?
 
This DE is now separable.

[tex]\frac{dv}{v(1+f(v))}=\frac{dx}{x}[/tex]
 

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