Oil volume required to rise the piston

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The problem involves determining the volume of oil required to raise a piston within a cylinder. The piston weighs 11 lbf and is initially held in place by a metal stop. The discussion focuses on fluid statics and the relationship between pressure, volume, and weight of the oil needed to lift the piston by 1 inch.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations for the volume of oil needed, questioning the assumptions made about the weight of the oil and the areas involved. There is a focus on the correct interpretation of the geometry and the relationship between the volumes of oil in different sections of the setup.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations and corrections to previous attempts, indicating progress in understanding the problem. Multiple interpretations of the volume calculations are being explored, and there is no explicit consensus yet on the final volume required.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly identifying the areas of the cylinder and tube, as well as the need to account for the additional volume of oil in the cylinder when the piston is raised. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in earlier calculations regarding the dimensions used.

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Homework Statement



The piston shown weighs 11 lbf. In its initial position, the piston is restrained from moving to the bottom of the cylinder by means of the metal stop. Assuming there is neither friction nor leakage between piston and cylinder, what volume of oil (S = 0.85) would have to be added to the 1-in. tube to cause the piston to rise 1 in. from its initial position?

piston-and-oil.png


Homework Equations



p = \frac{dF}{dA}

And the basic differential equation of the fluid statics:

\frac{dp}{dz} = - γ

Also the density or the specific weight of the oil is:

ρ = 1000 \frac{kg}{m^3} \cdot 0.85 = 850 \frac{kg}{m^3}

γ = ρ \cdot g = 8.336 \frac{kN}{m^3}

The Attempt at a Solution



Firstly, I have calculated what volume of oil is needed just to keep the piston "a little" above the stop, ie. to hold just the weight of the piston:

V_{oil p} = \frac{W_p}{A_p} \cdot \frac{A_o}{ρ \cdot g} ,

where W_p is the weight of the piston,
A_p is the c-s area of the cylinder
A_o is the c-s area of the tube.

This turns out to be:

V_{oil p} = 22.39 in^3.

Next, I have imagined, that when the piston is 1 in above the orignal level, we have to add even more oil to hold the weight of this 1-in thick layer of oil. This gave me in addition the volume of:

V_{oil o} = 3.14 in^3.

So altogether the total amount of oil needed calculated by me was:

V_{oil} = 22.39 in^3 + 3.14 in^3 = 25.53 in^3.

The answer should be V_{oil} = 35.7 in^3.

I see the hole in my reasoning, because the volume of oil in the 1-in layer has to be taken from somewhere, so it's either the old oil that was in the cylinder or the old + the new oil added. However, I don't know how to solve it.

Any help will be appreciated!
 
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For one thing, have you included the additional volume in the large cylinder?
And the 3.14 in^3 volume looks suspect. How did you get that?
 
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Do you mean the additional volume of the 1-in layer in the cylinder? Yes. It's weight is:

W_1 = π \cdot (4 in)^2 \cdot 1 in \cdot ρ \cdot g = 6.87 N

Then we have:

\frac{V_{oil o}}{A_o} = \frac{W_1}{A_p}

And solving it I got V_{oil o} = 3.14 in^3
 
The volume of a 1" layer in the large cylinder is π(4)2(1)/4 = 4π in3. This is the extra volume that had to be added, over and above the 22.39.
 
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Okay, I finally got it right. The first mistake was that 4 in and 1 in are diameters, not radii...

Here's how one can look at it:

solution.png


Now, obviously the "additional" oil that must be poured is the whole blue one, so both on the left and right.

V_{oil} = V_1 + V_2

We know that, because the oil that is hatched in black has still the same volume as it had in the beginning. Now we calculate the equality of pressures at the line of equal pressures (marked green):

Left = Right

p_L = p_R

p_L = \frac{W_p + W_{V_1}}{A_L}

p_R = \frac{W_{V_2}}{A_R}

\frac{W_p + W_{V_1}}{A_L} = \frac{W_{V_2}}{A_R}

The areas (now correct...):

A_L = π \cdot (\frac{4in}{2})^2 = 12.57 in^2

A_R = π \cdot (\frac{1in}{2})^2 = 0.79 in^2

And the volume of the 1-in layer of oil:

\boxed{V_1 = A_L \cdot 1 in = 12.57 in^3}

And the weight of it:

W_{V_1} = V_1 \cdot ρ \cdot g = 0.39 lbf

We calculate the weight of the oil V_2:

\frac{W_p + W_{V_1}}{A_L} \cdot A_R = W_{V_2}

W_{V_2} = \frac{11 lbf + 0.39 lbf}{12.57 in^2} \cdot 0.79 in^2 = 0.72 lbf

So the volume of it is:

\boxed{V_2 = \frac{W_{V_2}}{ρ \cdot g} = 23.17 in^3}

Summing two volumes we get:

V_{oil} = V_1 + V_2 = 12.57 in^3 + 23.17 in^3 = 35.74 in^3
 
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