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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of gravitational time dilation in the context of a hypothetical probe sent to Alpha Centauri for deep scanning. Participants explore how different gravitational conditions might affect the perception of time for the probe compared to observers on Earth, particularly regarding the duration of the scanning process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea of a probe sent to Alpha Centauri that could scan the system for a month and questions whether gravitational conditions would affect the time perception of the scanning process.
  • Another participant clarifies that a signal from a probe near Alpha Centauri would take 4.3 years to reach Earth, focusing on the time taken for signals rather than the scanning duration.
  • A participant emphasizes that the inquiry is about the time spent scanning and whether it could differ from an Earth month due to relative time effects near Alpha Centauri.
  • One participant explains that time runs slower for clocks deeper in a gravity well and discusses the conditions under which an observer might perceive a distant clock as running faster, particularly in relation to black holes.
  • Another participant provides an example of a significant time dilation effect, suggesting that if the probe were on a neutron star, it might take two months to complete its scan due to the extreme gravitational conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of gravitational time dilation, with some focusing on the theoretical implications while others emphasize practical limitations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific impacts of gravitational conditions on the scanning duration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the gravitational time dilation effects from Earth and the Sun may be too small to have a significant impact on the time perception of local versus distant clocks, but the discussion opens up possibilities for extreme scenarios involving strong gravitational fields.

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Hello folks,

I was wondering about a possible probe sent to alpha centauri which would be able to do a deep scan of the system, maybe for a month, and then send back results.

I then wondered, that if the probe was exposed to different gravitational conditions, let's say favourbly, would information come back sooner than we expected because of a difference in time perception?
 
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Alpha centauri is 4.3 light years away. A signal sent back to Earth from a probe near that star would take 4.3 years to get here.
 
My question is regarding time spent scanning the system, not time traveling there or back.

I am asking that if the probe is given a month to scan the system, is it possible that, because of relative time, it may require less or more than an Earth month to complete the scan, because the same length of time time near Alpha Centauri moves faster or slower relative to us.

So you see, the issues of interstellar travel were not brought up.
 
Time runs slower for clocks deeper in a gravity well, so the only situation in which an observer measures a distant clock to run faster due to gravitational time dilation is if the observer is closer to a source of gravity than the clock. I'm pretty sure the gravitational time dilation from the Earth and Sun is too small to make any significant difference in the rate of local clocks vs. distant clocks, but if you imagine an observer on a ship very close to a black hole who is receiving signals from a probe far from the black hole, she could see the signals appreciably sped up.
 
To give an idea of how small the effect would be, if the probe were to land on the surface of a very small and dense neutron star we might find that it takes 2 months to complete its scan.
 

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