On shell and off shell simultaneously?

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of on-shell and off-shell conditions in a one-loop virtual correction within the Deep Inelastic Scattering (DIS) process. Participants explore the implications of these conditions on the evaluation of loop integrals and the calculation of the hadronic tensor.

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  • One participant questions whether to use ##p^2=0## or ##p^2 \neq 0## when simplifying the numerator of the loop integral, given the presence of both on-shell and off-shell terms in the diagram.
  • Another participant asserts that the momentum ##p## should remain consistent and cannot be off-shell if the gluon is connected in the diagram, suggesting a need for clarity in the setup.
  • A further clarification is made regarding the computation of the hadronic tensor, indicating that a cut through the propagator ##p+q## may provide more insight into the setup.
  • One participant notes that the diagram represents a 1PI insertion onto the external leg and mentions the typical approach of renormalizing wave functions in the on-shell scheme, suggesting that the diagram may not need to be calculated if it cancels with a UV counterterm.
  • There is a mention of the necessity to consider gluon attachments in the internal propagator, which would be off-shell and require a mass counterterm to cancel the UV pole.

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Participants express differing views on the treatment of on-shell and off-shell conditions, with no consensus reached on the implications for the loop integral evaluation and the necessity of calculating the diagram.

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Participants highlight potential ambiguities in the definitions of on-shell and off-shell conditions, as well as the dependence on the specific diagram setup and the treatment of counterterms.

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I am considering the following one loop virtual correction in the DIS process.

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where I have a quark of momentum ##p## coming in, emitting a gluon before interacting with a photon of momentum ##q## to produce a fermionic propagator with momentum ##p+q##. My question is, in the red box, I have an on shell initial or final state quark ##p^2=0## but in the green box I have an off shell fermionic quark propagator ##p^2 \neq 0##.

So, in my equations, in particular upon evaluation of the loop integral $$\int d^D l \frac{\text{Tr}( \not p \gamma^{\nu} (\not p + \not q) \dots)}{p^2 (p+q)^2 (p-l)^2}$$ where the denominators are all off shell terms, in simplifying the numerator (the trace results in dot products of all the momenta scales in the problem) would I use ##p^2=0## or ##p^2 \neq 0##?
 
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p should be the same as p, I don't see how it could be off-shell if the gluon is connected as in the diagram.
 
mfb said:
p should be the same as p, I don't see how it could be off-shell if the gluon is connected as in the diagram.

I should have maybe drawn it with a cut through the propagator p+q. I want to compute the hadronic tensor for this diagram which is the discontinuity of the forward scattering process I showed. Does that make more sense in the set up?
 
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This diagram, is the 1PI insertion onto the external leg.

Normally, the approach is to renormalise the wave functions in the on shell scheme.

In this set up, this diagram is canceled with that of the UV counterterm inserted onto this leg exactly.

In which case, you never need to calculate this diagram ever.

You would have to consider this gluon type attachment in the internal propagator. This would be off-shell, and would require the mass counterterm (the CT for a fermion propagator) to cancel the UV pole.
 
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