One more Linear Transformation

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the function f: R2 to P1, defined as f(a,b) = b + a^2x, is a linear transformation. The two conditions for linearity are explored, with the first condition, f(u+v) = f(u) + f(v), initially appearing to be satisfied. However, upon further examination, it becomes clear that the polynomial generated by f(u+v) includes a term that results in a degree of 2, which violates the requirement for it to be a degree 1 polynomial. Ultimately, it is concluded that f does not qualify as a linear transformation due to the failure of the second condition, confirming that the function does not map correctly from R2 to P1.
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Homework Statement


I've posted a few of these recently. I have one question about this problem -- hopefully my calculations are correct.

f: R2 to P1, f(a,b)=b+a2x

Is this a linear transformation?

Homework Equations


f(u+v) = f(u) + f(v)
f(cu) = cf(u)

where u and v are vectors in R2 and c is a scalar.

The Attempt at a Solution


let u=(u1,u2)
let v=(v1,v2)

f(u+v) = ((u2+v2) + (u12x+v12x))

f(u) + f(v) = (u2 + u12x) + (v2 + v12x)

So f(u+v) = f(u) + f(v) (First condition met)

c(u1,u2) = (cu1,cu2)

f(cu) = cu2 + cu12x

cf(u) = c(u2 + u12x)
= cu2 + cu12x

Second condition met.

However, my question is -- The question asks is this a linear transformation from R2 to p1. If my calculations are correct, both conditions are met, but the polynomial has a degree of 2, not 1, so it's not a linear transformation from R2 to p1.
 
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The squared u1 and v1 will have a c^2 coefficient, not c. So second condition is not met.
if v1 -> c*v1
then v1^2 -> c^2*v1^2
 
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Homework Statement


I've posted a few of these recently. I have one question about this problem -- hopefully my calculations are correct.

f: R2 to P1, f(a,b)=b+a2x

Is this a linear transformation?

Homework Equations


f(u+v) = f(u) + f(v)
f(cu) = cf(u)

where u and v are vectors in R2 and c is a scalar.

The Attempt at a Solution


let u=(u1,u2)
let v=(v1,v2)

f(u+v) = ((u2+v2) + (u12x+v12x))
The way you compute ##f(u+v)## is not correct: in general, ##(u_1+v_1)² \neq {u_1}²+{v_1}²##.
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f(u) + f(v) = (u2 + u12x) + (v2 + v12x)

So f(u+v) = f(u) + f(v) (First condition met)

c(u1,u2) = (cu1,cu2)

f(cu) = cu2 + cu12x
This is not correct, you should have a ##c²{u_1}²x## in the right hand side expression.
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cf(u) = c(u2 + u12x)
= cu2 + cu12x

Second condition met.

However, my question is -- The question asks is this a linear transformation from R2 to p1. If my calculations are correct, both conditions are met, but the polynomial has a degree of 2, not 1, so it's not a linear transformation from R2 to p1.
The polynomial has a degree of 1 in ##x##.
 
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I see what you mean with the c2 on the right hand side of the equation, I forgot to put a parenthesis around it (cu12)x

Just looking at the first part now. Thanks for your replies.
 
f(u+v) = [(u2+v2)+(u1+v1)2x]

I can see now (with @DuckAmuck's reply) that the second condition is not met.

Oh yes, you are correct with the polynomial having a degree of 1 as well! I got my u,v and x variables mixed up there!

I'm still making a few mistakes, but I'm a lot more confident with these now than I was a couple of days ago.
 
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f(u+v) = [(u2+v2)+(u1+v1)2x]
Working that out will show that the first condition isn't met either.

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I'm still making a few mistakes, but I'm a lot more confident with these now than I was a couple of days ago.
The never ending joy of learning. :smile:
 
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f(u+v) = [(u2+v2)+(u1+v1)2x]

f(u) + f(v) = u2 + u12x + v2 + v12x

That condition isn't met either! Totally skipped over that one.
 
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f(u+v) = [(u2+v2)+(u1+v1)2x]

f(u) + f(v) = u2 + u12x + v2 + v12x

That condition isn't met either! Totally skipped over that one.
Pretend that you're trying to convince an idiot, and show why the first line above isn't equal to the second line.
 
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Pretend that you're trying to convince an idiot, and show why the first line above isn't equal to the second line.

*Convincing myself*

f(u+v) = [(u2+v2)+(u1+v1)2x]

f(u) + f(v) = u2 + u12x + v2 + v12x

(u1+v1)2 ≠ u12 + v12
 
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*Convincing myself*

f(u+v) = [(u2+v2)+(u1+v1)2x]

f(u) + f(v) = u2 + u12x + v2 + v12x

(u1+v1)2 ≠ u12 + v12
Better:
f(u+v) = (u2+v2)+(u1+v1)2x = ##u_2 + v_2 + (u_1^2 + 2u_1v_1 + v_1^2)x##
f(u) + f(v) = u2 + u12x + v2 + v12x = ##u_2 + v_2 + (u_1^2 + v_1^2)x##
Since ## u_1^2 + v_1^2 \ne u_1^2 + 2u_1v_1 + v_1^2##, if ##u_1 \ne v_1##, then f(u + v) ##\ne## f(u) + f(v)
 
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