Oopsie, issue with change of variables to evaluate definite integral

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The discussion revolves around the challenges faced when applying the change of variables technique to evaluate a definite integral, specifically the integral of \( \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - x^2}} \) from -1 to 1. Participants explore the implications of restricting the range of the variable during the transformation and the resulting effects on the integral's value.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the integral and the change of variable \( x = \cos(\theta) \), noting the need to restrict the range of \( \theta \) to maintain a bijective transformation.
  • Another participant points out the derivative of the arcsine function as a relevant observation, suggesting it may relate to the integral's evaluation.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of recognizing that \( \sqrt{\sin^2(\theta)} = |\sin(\theta)| \), which could affect the evaluation of the integral based on the limits of integration.
  • One participant acknowledges their misunderstanding regarding the absolute value and expresses gratitude for the clarification provided by another participant.
  • Another participant corrects their earlier statement about the absolute value definition, indicating a potential source of confusion in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of the change of variable technique and the implications of absolute values in the context of the integral. While some participants identify issues with the initial approach, there is no consensus on the overall resolution of the problem.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions made about the transformation and the treatment of absolute values, which are not fully resolved within the conversation.

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I needed to evaluate the following integral (for constructing Chebyshev polynomials by an orthogonalisation process), but I just discovered that I'm having an issue with the change of variable technique:P The specific integral itself is unimportant as to the issue I'm having, but by means of an example this is the one I was solving when it arose:

[tex] \int_{-1}^{1} \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - x^2}} dx[/tex]

And I believe this is done with the following change of variable:

[tex] x = g(\theta) = cos (\theta); \ \ \rightarrow \ \ dx= g'(\theta) = -sin(\theta)d\theta[/tex]

But since the transformation has to be bijective (or however you say:P), one would have to limit the range of [tex]\theta[/tex] otherwise the inverse relationship [tex]\theta = g^{-1}(x)[/tex] would not be a single valued function.

So for example, I can restrict [tex]\theta[/tex] as so: [tex] 0 \leq\theta \leq \pi[/tex]
in which case [tex]g^{-1}(x=-1)=\pi ; \ \ \ g^{-1}(x=1)=0[/tex]
and thus:
[tex] \int_{-1}^{1} \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - x^2}} dx = \int_{\pi}^{0} \frac{-sin(\theta)}{\sqrt{(sin(\theta)^2}} d\theta = \int_{\pi}^{0} -d\theta = \int_{0}^{\pi} d\theta = \pi[/tex]

BUT! if for example I use the same transformation but restricting [tex]\theta[/tex] to: [tex] \pi \leq\theta \leq 2\pi[/tex]
then I have: [tex]g^{-1}(x=-1)=\pi ; \ \ \ g^{-1}(x=1)=2\pi[/tex]
and:
[tex] \int_{-1}^{1} \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - x^2}} dx = \int_{\pi}^{2\pi} \frac{-sin(\theta)}{\sqrt{(sin(\theta)^2}} d\theta = \int_{\pi}^{2\pi} -d\theta = -\pi[/tex]

I know the answer has to be [tex]\pi[/tex] because the integrand in terms of the original variable is always positive for [tex]x\in (-1,1)[/tex], thus the integral has to be positive. And I know that different signs I'm getting is because in one case my transformation is such that [tex]\theta[/tex] is increasing with increasing x (ie. [tex]g'>0[/tex]) and in the other [tex]\theta[/tex] is decreasing with increasing x (ie. [tex]g'<0[/tex]), but . . . the sign of [tex]g'<0[/tex] should compensate the change in the order of the limits of integration and I shouldn't have to worry about that, no? I just can't see what I'm doing wrong in either case, although I'm certainly doing something wrong!:(
 
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I'm not sure if this helps but I recognize that:
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}(arcsin(x)) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - x^2}}[/tex]
[tex]where -\frac{\pi}{2} < x < \frac{\pi}{2}[/tex]
 
People always forget that:

[tex]\sqrt{x^2}=|x|[/tex] and not simply x.

Frankly, i didn't bother to look your whole work, but i think that your problem is, as i just stated:


[tex]\sqrt{sin^2(\theta)}=|sin(\theta)|[/tex]

and not as you, somewhere along the lines, have done simply sin(@) (@=theta)


Now, i assume you know the definition of the abs value, right? Well, in case you cannot recall while reading this post:

|x|=x if x>0 and -x if x<0.

Now:

|sin(@)|=sin(@) if sin(@)<0 and -sin(@) if sin(@)>0

Look at your limits of integration, pi to 2pi. what do you notice? THis is your problem..
 
sutupidmath, . . . yes!
People always forget that:
[tex]\sqrt{x^2}=|x|[/tex] and not simply x.

that includes me :blushing:

My problem was not with the change of variable theorem after all :P Now everything falls into place :)

Fanku, fanku, I am much indebted :P
 
Thanku to Chaos2009 as well for their observation:P
 
sutupidmath said:
|sin(@)|=sin(@) if sin(@)<0 and -sin(@) if sin(@)>0

..
this should have read |sin(@)|=sin@ if sin@>0 and -sin@ if sin@<0
My bad..
 
Lol that's okay, actually, I got your meaning without even realising you said it the wrong way round:P
 

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