Optical Fibres: Spectral Width Calculation

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The discussion revolves around calculating the spectral width of light emitted from a pulsed laser operating at a wavelength of 850 nm. Participants explore the relationship between frequency spacing of lasing modes and the resulting spectral width, addressing both theoretical and mathematical aspects of the problem.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for the spectral width based on the frequency spacing of lasing modes and expresses confusion over the discrepancy between their result and the expected answer of 0.6 nm.
  • Another participant introduces the derivative of wavelength with respect to frequency, suggesting that this relationship is crucial for the calculation.
  • A later reply clarifies that the frequency should be calculated using the speed of light divided by the wavelength in vacuum, rather than accounting for the refractive index initially.
  • Participants discuss the implications of using different forms of the wavelength-frequency relationship, leading to variations in their calculations and results.
  • One participant realizes that starting from a different equation yields a consistent answer with another participant's calculation, indicating a potential misunderstanding in their earlier approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method to calculate the spectral width, with multiple approaches and results presented. Discrepancies in numerical results and methods indicate ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over the application of formulas and the assumptions regarding the wavelength in vacuum versus the refractive index. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on definitions that affect the calculations.

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Homework Statement
A pulsed GaAlAs laser operates at 850 nm wavelength. Under pulsed conditions there are several lasing modes present separated in frequency by ## \Delta f = c/2nl ## where typically ## l ## = 300 ## \micro m ## (the length of the laser cavity), and ##n## = 3.5 is the refractive index of the laser cavity. By assuming that three modes are lasing, calculate the spectral width ## \Delta \lambda## of the emitted light.
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## v = f \lambda ##
Hi,

I was working on this problem that I think should be quite simple, but I cannot seem to get the correct answer.

Question:
A pulsed laser operates at 850 nm wavelength. Under pulsed conditions there are several lasing modes present separated in frequency by ## \Delta f = c/2nl ## where typically ## l ## = 300 ## \mu m ## (the length of the laser cavity), and ##n## = 3.5 is the refractive index of the laser cavity. By assuming that three modes are lasing, calculate the spectral width ## \Delta \lambda## of the emitted light.

Attempt:
Three modes means that there are two frequency spacings, ## \Delta f ##, between the lower and upper frequencies. Thus:
2 \Delta f = \frac{c}{nl} = \frac{3 \times 10^{8}}{3.5 \cdot 300 \times 10^{-6}} = 2.867... \times 10^{11}
Therefore, I thought that:
\text{Spectral width} = \Delta \lambda = \frac{c/n}{2 \Delta f} = 3 \times 10^{-4} \text{m}

However, the answer is 0.6 nm which is quite a bit smaller than what I have... I do not really understand what approach I should be using instead.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Master1022 said:
I thought that
Thinking is one thing. Writing an equation is something else --- and in this case, better :smile:

What is ##\ {d\lambda\over df}\ ## if ##\ \lambda = {c/n\over f} ## ?

##\ ##
 
Thanks for the reply @BvU

BvU said:
Thinking is one thing. Writing an equation is something else --- and in this case, better :smile:

What is ##\ {d\lambda\over df}\ ## if ##\ \lambda = {c/n\over f} ## ?
##\ ##

So ## \frac{d\lambda}{df} = -\frac{c/n}{f^2} ##

I am then slightly confused how to proceed from there. Would I calculate ## f ## from the 850 nm we are given? If so, then I could do:
d\lambda = \frac{c/n}{(c/n\lambda)^2} \cdot df = \frac{\lambda^2}{c/n} \cdot 2 \Delta f
= \frac{\lambda^2}{c/n} \cdot \frac{c}{nl} = \frac{\lambda^2}{l}
but I am still making an error as that does not give me the right answer.
 
Master1022 said:
If so, then I could do
I mislead you to think ##f = c/(n\lambda)\ \ ## (not on purpose, I'm afraid o:) )

The 850 nm is in vacuo, so ##\ f\ ## should be ##\ f = c/\lambda ##

Numerically I still don't get the 0.6 nm but 0.68 nm for ##2\Delta f##.

##\ ##
 
BvU said:
I mislead you to think ##f = c/(n\lambda)\ \ ## (not on purpose, I'm afraid o:) )

The 850 nm is in vacuo, so ##\ f\ ## should be ##\ f = c/\lambda ##

Numerically I still don't get the 0.6 nm but 0.68 nm for ##2\Delta f##.

##\ ##
Thank you very much once again for your reply @BvU !

Using that, then I get:
\lambda = \frac{c/n}{f} \rightarrow \frac{d\lambda}{df} = -\frac{c/n}{f^2}
= \frac{-c/n}{\left( \frac{c}{\lambda} \right)^2 } = \frac{-c/n}{c^2 / \lambda^2} = \frac{\lambda^2}{nc}
Then we can multiply by ## 2\Delta f ## to get ## \frac{\lambda^2}{n^2 l} ##. However, I think I need to have just a factor of ## n ## in the denominator (instead of ##n^2 ##) to get the same answer as you. Could you see how I can reconcile this difference

[EDIT]: Nevermind, I have just realized that if I start with ## \lambda = \frac{c}{f} ##, then I get the same answer as you
 
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