(optics) phase shift definition

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The discussion centers around the definition of phase shift in optics, specifically the mathematical expression for optical thickness and its components. Participants explore the implications of using different wavelengths and refractive indices in the context of phase shifts, raising questions about the correct formulation and notation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a definition for optical thickness involving the wavelength in the medium, refractive index, and angle with respect to the normal.
  • Another participant challenges the initial definition, pointing out unit inconsistencies and suggesting that the phase difference should involve the vacuum wavelength instead.
  • A later reply acknowledges the need for a distance term and introduces a phase offset term for reflection, questioning the notation used for wavelengths in different media.
  • Participants discuss the ambiguity in literature regarding the notation for wavelengths, particularly the use of subscripted terms and their implications for different media.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the definitions provided, highlighting the potential for confusion in the literature regarding the refractive index and the nature of the incident medium.
  • Another participant emphasizes the relationship between wavelength and refractive index, asserting that the refractive index's role is to relate the vacuum wavelength to the wavelength in the medium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct formulation of the phase shift definition, with multiple competing views and ongoing debate about the appropriate use of notation and the implications of different media.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of wavelengths in various media and the implications of using different refractive indices. Participants note that literature can be inconsistent, leading to confusion about the correct interpretation of terms.

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Folks,

I've got a question. Is this definition correct?

\delta _i = \frac{2\pi}{\lambda_i} * n_i * \cos \, \theta _i

where

\delta _i is the optical thickness of medium i

\lambda _i is the wavelength in medium i (i.e. not \lambda _0, the vacuum wavelength)

n_i is the refractive index of medium i

\theta _i is the angle with respect to the normal inside medium i
 
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First of all your units are out. The LHS has units m, while the RHS has units m^-1. You need to get rid of the factor of 2*pi/lamda altogether and multiply the RHS by some distance - be it the thickness of a medium, or a specified propagation distance.

Alternatively, if you want the phase difference rather than the optical path length (as it seems to indicate from the thread title), retain the factor of 2*pi/lambda - but it has to include the vacuum wavelength, not the wavelength in the medium, as you have already accounted for the medium via the n_i term. You still need to include a distance in metres on the RHS.

Claude.
 
You're right about the distance. I thought I had typed it in, but I missed it; that makes the optical path length.

Lambda has a big question mark. What if your incidence medium is not vacuum? Also, I did not include a phase offset term \xi, which would account for phase change upon reflection; it's an extra term: \pi if you're reflecting off a higher index and 0 otherwise. So, how about this:

\delta _i = \frac{2\pi}{\lambda_{m}} * n_i * d* \cos \, \theta _i + \xi

I've been looking for the appropriate notation in many texts. They give lambda a subscript 0 and make you think that means vacuum wavelength; no! That's the wavelength in the medium of incidence "m". That happens to be vacuum in simple examples, but it is not a rule.
 
You have already accounted for the fact that you are in a medium by including the factor n_i. The n_i term can be absorbed into lambda to give the wavelength in the medium.

Claude.
 
Okay

\delta _i = \frac{2\pi}{\lambda_{0}} * n_i * d* \cos \, \theta _i + \xi = \frac{2\pi}{\displaystyle \left( \frac{\lambda_{0}}{n_i} \right)} * d* \cos \, \theta _i + \xi = \frac{2\pi}{\lambda_{i}}* d* \cos \, \theta _i + \xi

That makes sense. However, there is a problem. If you take a look at Modern Optics by Guenther, page 121 (in the multilayer dielectric coatings appendix), you will find "where n_0 is the refractive index of the incident medium." That implies a medium that can be something else instead of free space. The only restriction seem to be transparency, otherwise the effective wavelength will take complex values. I'm not sure if that is possible. I know that for absorbing media, when you apply Snell's law, you do get complex angles and that's perfectly acceptable.

Continuing on the discussion about references, Laser Resonators and Beam Propagation by Hodgson and Weber, pages 205-206 (optical coatings section), has the same notation as Guenther and it suggests the same meaning. The list of symbols reads "wavelength" or "central wavelength" for \lambda_{0}. Finally, Thin Film Optical Filters by Macleod, page 41 (3rd ed.) or page 20 (American Elsevier Pub. Co., 1969), completely drops the subscript, and if you go to the list of symbols you will see "wavelength (normally in vacuo)". That doesn't mean always in vacuo.

So, yes, I'm still skeptical about either

\delta _i = \frac{2\pi}{\lambda_{0}} * n_i * d* \cos \, \theta _i + \xi

where \lambda_{0} is the vacuum wavelength.

OR

\delta _i = \frac{2\pi}{\lambda_{0}} * n_i * d* \cos \, \theta _i + \xi

where \lambda_{0} is the medium with index 0, which can be anything.

Authors make the confusion even greater for something that should be straight-forward. If you have a reference where this is clearly stated, please let me know - it would be help me clarify it. Thanks.
 
You are trying to find the accumulation of phase over a given distance. Whether it is an EM wave traveling through glass, or a sine wave written on a piece of paper the same equation should apply. In your specific case, the wavelength depends on the refractive index via the following relation;

\lambda_i = \frac{\lambda_0}{n_i}

This is the ONLY reason why the refractive index pops up in this case.

I know authors can get sloppy with their notation, sometimes you have to back your own intuition!

Claude.
 

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