Optimization and related rates trig.

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves optimizing the time taken for a woman to travel across a circular lake, where she can walk and row at different speeds. The goal is to determine the optimal point on the shore to row to before walking to minimize her total travel time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using angles and trigonometric relationships to express distances in terms of a variable angle. There are attempts to derive equations for the rowing and walking distances based on the geometry of the situation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to set up the problem using trigonometric functions and have pointed out corrections to earlier assumptions. There is an ongoing exploration of how to optimize the time function derived from the distances.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's parameters, including the speeds of walking and rowing, and the circular geometry of the lake. There is an acknowledgment of the need for accurate trigonometric relationships to proceed with the optimization.

amcelroy13
Messages
12
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



A woman at point A on the shore of a circular lake with radius 2 miles wants to arrive at point C diametrically opposite A on the shore of the lake in the shortest time possible. She can walk at 4 mph and row a boat at 2 mph. To what point on the shore of the lake should she row before walking o minimize time? Verify your answer.

Homework Equations



Distance = velocity x time
t=d/v
total time = d in water/2mph + d on land/4mph

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that I must use angles to find the point B but I have no idea exactly what to do. If i could find the relation I could easily optimize it, but I really have no idea how to do it.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Your equation: total time = d in water/2mph + d on land/4mph is a good start. Draw a picture showing the person traveling a little way around the circumference to a point B. Call the center of the lake O. Call angle ACB \theta and notice that angle AOB is 2\theta. You should be able to get the walking distance arc AB and the rowing distance BC in terms of \theta to put in your equation for time. Then you are on your way.
 
so if arc AB = r*2theta (i think) would BC = 2/sin(pi-2theta)?
 
never mind, that was dumb, its not a right triangle, BC would be r*(pi-2theta)
 
as of now i have gotten:

time=((r(pi-2theta)/2)+r*2theta/4
r=2 so i have:
time = pi-(pi*theta)+2pi
I have no idea how to optimize... any help?
 
You don't have the equation for BC correct. You are going to need some trig functions. In your figure, drop a line from B perpendicular to the diameter AC and call the intersection P. Now CBP is a right triangle and the rowing part BC is its hypotenuse. You can get OP from the little triangle OPB with a trig function and CP = OP + r. Now you can get the rowing distance CB from triangle CPB with another trig function. You have the walking arc length correct.
 
I figured it out, thanks for the help
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 26 ·
Replies
26
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
5K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
11K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
4K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
5K