Application of derivatives problem?

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The problem involves a biologist's equation for the energy expenditure of a salmon swimming upstream against a current. The equation relates the calories burned to the swimming speed of the salmon, the current speed, and the distance traveled. The goal is to determine the time taken for the salmon to swim a specified distance while minimizing energy expenditure.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the correct interpretation of the energy equation and the time equation, questioning the placement of parentheses in the expressions. There are attempts to derive critical values for the swimming speed and to understand the implications of substituting time into the energy equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on finding critical values and suggested using the energy equation to derive necessary variables. There is an ongoing exploration of how to properly manipulate the equations without reaching a consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the initial steps in solving the problem and the implications of their substitutions. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in the mathematical expressions used.

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Homework Statement



A biologist determines experimentally that the number of calories burned by a salmon swimming a distance d in miles upstream against a current v0 in miles per hour is given by

Energy = kdv^5/v − v0

where v is the salmon’s swimming speed relative to the water it is in. This means that the salmon’s progress upstream is at the rate of v − v0 miles per hour, so that the distance d is covered in a time of

t=d/v − v0

If v0 = 2 mph and d = 20 miles, and the salmon, being smart, swims so as to minimize the calories burned, how many hours will it take to complete the journey?

Homework Equations



Requires derivatives

The Attempt at a Solution



I really just don't understand where to start. I subbed t into the equation and ended up with ktv^5/v-v0, took the derivative of that with respect to t and got 5kv^4 but I have no idea what I really don't know where to go from there.
 
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mirs said:

Homework Statement



A biologist determines experimentally that the number of calories burned by a salmon swimming a distance d in miles upstream against a current v0 in miles per hour is given by

Energy = kdv^5/v − v0

Do you mean ##\frac{kdv^5} v - v_0##, which is what you wrote, or ##\frac{kdv^5}{v − v0}##?

where v is the salmon’s swimming speed relative to the water it is in. This means that the salmon’s progress upstream is at the rate of v − v0 miles per hour, so that the distance d is covered in a time of

t=d/v − v0

Same problem here. Obviously you mean ##\frac d {v-v_0}##. Use parentheses!
If v0 = 2 mph and d = 20 miles, and the salmon, being smart, swims so as to minimize the calories burned, how many hours will it take to complete the journey?

Homework Equations



Requires derivatives

The Attempt at a Solution



I really just don't understand where to start. I subbed t into the equation and ended up with ktv^5/v-v0, took the derivative of that with respect to t and got 5kv^4 but I have no idea what I really don't know where to go from there.

Try finding the critial value of ##v## using the energy equation. Then use that to get the time of travel.
 
Yes! I meant (kdv^5)/(v−v0).
 
LCKurtz said:
Try finding the critial value of ##v## using the energy equation. Then use that to get the time of travel.

OK, so I'm guessing I don't plug t into the energy equation in the first place? because I did that and found the derivative to be 5ktv^4
 
LCKurtz said:
Try finding the critial value of ##v## using the energy equation. Then use that to get the time of travel.

mirs said:
OK, so I'm guessing I don't plug t into the energy equation in the first place? because I did that and found the derivative to be 5ktv^4

Why are you guessing? Why not just try what I suggested?
 

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