Optimizing Battery Performance for Increased Power in Automated Wheelchairs

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around optimizing battery performance to increase power in automated wheelchairs, focusing on battery specifications, potential modifications, and the implications of power requirements for acceleration. Participants explore various approaches to enhance battery output and motor performance, considering both theoretical and practical aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand how to increase power from existing batteries, questioning whether increasing amp-hours (AH) is a viable solution.
  • Another participant clarifies that GR 24 refers to the battery size and suggests that increasing amp-hours can be achieved by using larger or additional batteries.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of considering the duration of power needs when discussing battery capacity and performance.
  • A participant proposes a specific acceleration requirement of 5 m/s² for 5 seconds, likening it to a turbo-boost feature.
  • There is a discussion about whether switching to larger battery groups (GR 27 or GR 31) would provide more amp-hours or just a larger case size.
  • One participant argues that to achieve higher speeds, increasing voltage or replacing the motor with a higher capacity one is necessary, along with potential modifications to the electronic controller.
  • Another participant suggests that using smaller batteries with higher voltage could provide the needed power boost while addressing weight concerns.
  • A proposal is made to build a capacitor bank for short power boosts, including protective measures for the motor input.
  • One participant questions the necessity of achieving high speeds, pointing out that the proposed acceleration could lead to speeds close to 60 mph.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on how to effectively increase power for the wheelchair, with no consensus reached on the best approach. Discussions include varying opinions on battery size, voltage, and motor modifications.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of battery specifications on performance, nor have they clarified the relationship between amp-hours, voltage, and motor capabilities. The discussion includes assumptions about the feasibility of modifications and the expected outcomes of different approaches.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals involved in engineering projects related to electric mobility devices, battery technology, and power optimization in automated systems.

Agarb
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For a physics project, we have to increase power to an automated wheelchair.

This wheelchair has:
Battery Capacity 2x60AH
Battery Needed (x2) GR 24

I know that this means there are 2 batteries at 60 Ampere-hours. I don't know what a GR 24 is.

Also, I don't know how to increase the output from these batteries to give more power. Increase the AH? If anybody had any suggestions, that would be greatly appreciate.

I understand that changing the motor would probably be more beneficial, however, my part of the project is to worry about battery drain.
 
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GR24 means "group 24" and it refers to the size of the battery case (and that it's a deep-cycle battery, which is of course what you need for this application).

The way you increase the amp-hours is to use more or bigger batteries.
 
Agarb, I see you expect more power.. but for how much time? What is the time period for which you are going to use the battery? Or if you talk about the total charge, Bigger the Better.
 
PhysicoRaj said:
Agarb, I see you expect more power.. but for how much time? What is the time period for which you are going to use the battery? Or if you talk about the total charge, Bigger the Better.


I need to make the wheelchair accelerate for 5 m/s^2 for 5 seconds. Think of it as a little turbo-boost
 
Nugatory said:
GR24 means "group 24" and it refers to the size of the battery case (and that it's a deep-cycle battery, which is of course what you need for this application).

The way you increase the amp-hours is to use more or bigger batteries.


So using a GR 27 or GR 31 wouldn't necessarily be a bigger battery, just a bigger case? Or would these be bigger with more amp-hours? Or both?
 
Agarb said:
So using a GR 27 or GR 31 wouldn't necessarily be a bigger battery, just a bigger case? Or would these be bigger with more amp-hours? Or both?
Amphours determines how many hours you'll be able to sustain travel. It is not an indicator* of the speed capabilty or maximum power. Basically, the only way you can make the wheels turn faster is by supplying more volts to your motor, or by replacing the motor with a bigger one that can consume more amps. Hand-in-hand with this change there will need to be a new electronic controller installed (or the old one substantially modified).
 
Agarb said:
I understand that changing the motor would probably be more beneficial...
Agarb said:
I need to make the wheelchair accelerate for 5 m/s^2 for 5 seconds. Think of it as a little turbo-boost

What about sticking some extra magnets on the [DC] motor ? ... http://youtu.be/UkKk7qSaKJY?t=45s
 
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For the short period of time your wanting the power changing to much smaller batteries (due to less weight) and going up in voltage is really about the only way it's going to happen. More voltage will give you the watt increase for power and using smaller batteries will solve the weight problem. Most wheel chair motors are in the 350-500 watt range. You can normally double the voltage and get 2X+ more power as long as you don't expect them to last very long. You will need another controller for the higher voltage. The batteries are not the holdup on power here. Even small 12 amp scooter batteries can supply the amps for the time you need. Higher wattage motors or higher voltage is required. Higher voltage is the easiest way to go.
 
Could build a capacitor bank for 5 second power boost, protect back flow with diode parallel into motor input, reverse polarity protect with cutout relay and put a separate button to engage marked "never press this button".
 
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Agarb said:
I need to make the wheelchair accelerate for 5 m/s^2 for 5 seconds. Think of it as a little turbo-boost

That would get it up to 25m/s, which is just under 60mph. Why would you need to accelerate a wheelchair up to highway speed?
 

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