Optimzation problem, only info given are xy intercepts

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The problem involves an optimization scenario where a fixed point P(a,b) is located in the first quadrant of an xy-plane. The task is to express a function S, defined as S = 1/(xknot + yknot), in terms of the x-intercept (xknot) of a descending line L that passes through point P. The goal is to find extreme values of S.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss how to express yknot in terms of xknot and constants a and b. There are attempts to derive the equation of line L and to relate the intercepts to the fixed point. Some participants question the meaning of the fixed point and its implications for the problem.

Discussion Status

Several participants are exploring different interpretations of the fixed point and its role in the problem. Some have proposed expressions for S based on their understanding of the line's equation, while others are questioning the relationships between the variables involved. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet, but productive lines of reasoning are being developed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem is framed as an optimization task, and there is discussion about the nature of the constants involved and their implications for the derivatives of S. Some confusion exists regarding the definitions and roles of the variables.

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Homework Statement


Suppose P(a,b) is a fixed point in Quadrant 1 of an xy-plane and line L is descending in the plane such that P is on line L. Let Q=(xknot,0) and R=(0,yknot) be the x and y intercepts for line L and let

S= 1/(xknot + yknot)

1. Express S as a function of xknot
2. Find any extreme values for S

I know how to do number 2 but number 1 stumps me, how do I get yknot to become xknot?


Homework Equations



for 2. quotient rule

The Attempt at a Solution


so far I have got L=-(y/x) + y using y=mx+b (descending line means it's linear right?)

in another attempt I find the equation of the line using point RP and then PQ then setting them equal to each other to solve for yknot. I use that to plug into S. S would be expressed in terms of xknot and the a and b are constants. If I find the critical numbers of S with this, it comes out very ugly and does not seem like the answer.

HOW DO I APPROACH THIS PROBLEM (it is supposedly an optimization problem).
 
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weirdobomb said:

Homework Statement


Suppose P(a,b) is a fixed point in Quadrant 1 of an xy-plane and line L is descending in the plane such that P is on line L. Let Q=(xknot,0) and R=(0,yknot) be the x and y intercepts for line L and let
It's pronounced like "knot" but the word is "nought", which is synonomous with zero.

What does it mean that (a, b) is a fixed point? That's key to this problem.
weirdobomb said:
S= 1/(xknot + yknot)

weirdobomb said:
1. Express S as a function of xknot
2. Find any extreme values for S

I know how to do number 2 but number 1 stumps me, how do I get yknot to become xknot?


Homework Equations



for 2. quotient rule

The Attempt at a Solution


so far I have got L=-(y/x) + y using y=mx+b (descending line means it's linear right?)

in another attempt I find the equation of the line using point RP and then PQ then setting them equal to each other to solve for yknot. I use that to plug into S. S would be expressed in terms of xknot and the a and b are constants. If I find the critical numbers of S with this, it comes out very ugly and does not seem like the answer.

HOW DO I APPROACH THIS PROBLEM (it is supposedly an optimization problem).
 
I think fixed point P(a,b) means that, plug in "a" into equation L results with "a."
I get

S = (x0-a)/x0^2
 
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weirdobomb said:
I think fixed point P(a,b) means that, plug in "a" into equation L results with "a."

I get

S = (x0-a)/x0^2

Am I going in the right direction?
 
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Quick question:since x0 and a are points on the graph, is it say to say that the first derivative of S is 0 since they are constants?
 
If [itex]P= (x_0, 0)[/itex] and [itex]Q= (0, y_0)[/itex] then the equation of the line is [itex]x/x_0+ y/y_0= 1[/tex] or [itex]y= y_0- (y_0/x_0)x[/itex]. [itex]x_0[/itex] is NOT a point on the graph it is <b>number</b>- the x-value of the x-intercept. The "derivative of S", since it is a line, is the slope of the line, [itex]y_0/x_0[/itex].<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I think fixed point P(a,b) means that, plug in "a" into equation L results with "a." </div> </div> </blockquote> No, it means that if you put x= a into the equation of the line, you get y= b.[/itex]
 

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