Orbital period around Schwarzschild radius

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The problem involves an observer orbiting at a specific radius around a Schwarzschild black hole, sending a photon in a circular path. The context is within general relativity, focusing on the proper time experienced by the observer as the photon completes its orbit.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the Schwarzschild line element and the conditions for light-like geodesics. There are attempts to relate the observer's motion and the emitted photon’s path, with questions about the assumptions made regarding the observer's velocity and the implications of setting angular velocity to zero.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the observer's motion and the proper time calculation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the observer's angular velocity and the proper time, but no consensus has been reached on how to proceed with the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted constraint regarding the observer's angular velocity, with a specific condition mentioned to avoid non-time-like curves. The problem explicitly states that the observer is not at fixed coordinates, which adds complexity to the analysis.

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Homework Statement


An observer is orbiting at a radius r = 3GM, \theta = \frac{\pi}{2} and \phi = \omega t where w is constant.
The observer sends a photon around the circular orbit in the positive \phi direction. What is the proper time \Delta \tau for the photon to complete one orbit and return to the observer?

Homework Equations


Schwarzschild line element where dr =0 and d\theta =0.

The Attempt at a Solution



From the line element we have
\left(\frac{d\tau}{dt}\right)^2 = 1 - \frac{2GM}{r} - r^2 \left(\frac{d\phi}{dt}\right)^2
\left(\frac{d\tau}{dt}\right)^2 = 1 - \frac{2GM}{r} - r^2 \omega^2

I was trying to use \omega^2 = \frac{GM}{r^3} but that just gives

\left(\frac{d\tau}{dt}\right)^2 = 1 - \frac{2GM}{r} - r^2 \frac{GM}{r^3}
\left(\frac{d\tau}{dt}\right)^2 = 1 - \frac{2GM}{r} - \frac{GM}{r}
\left(\frac{d\tau}{dt}\right)^2 = 1 - \frac{3GM}{3GM}
as r = 3GM. This gives zero and I'm not really sure what to do with it. Have I gone wrong somewhere? What should I do with the w?
 
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Light follows light-like (naturally) geodesics. These have the defining property of ds=0 so it shoukd come as no surprise that it has length zero.

This makes me suspect that the problem wants you to compute the proper time for an observer at fixed spatial coordinates before the light signal comes back from the opposite direction.
 
I have already worked out the proper time for a stationary observer, \Delta \tau = 6 \pi GM. The question specifically states that the observer is not at fixed coordinates, but moving with \phi = \omega t and emitting a photon while orbiting.
 
I see, so note that the observer according to the problem statement is not necessarily moving on a geodesic. When you put ##\omega=0## you should regain your result for the stationary observer.
 
How can I simply assume that \omega = 0? It says that w is a constant. Since the previous question was for the case of the stationary observer, I'm quite sure that this one isn't after the same answer. Although I cannot see any way around it
 
You cannot. What I said was that, when you have solved your problem, letting ##\omega = 0## should give you the result you had before. Your answer to the current problem should depend on ##\omega##, which you can treat as an arbitrary constant (but with ##\omega^2 < 3GM/r^3## or you will have an observer following a non-time-like curve - as you found out for the limiting case already).

Edit: It is not necessary to solve the problem, but note that, regardless of the value of ##\omega##, the observer will have a non-zero proper acceleration.
 

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