Orbits in strongly curved spacetime

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of orbits in strongly curved spacetime, particularly in the context of General Relativity and black holes. Participants share resources, animations, and personal insights related to the simulation of orbits and gravitational effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares a link to a program that simulates orbits around black holes, highlighting the differences from classical Keplerian orbits due to strong gravitational fields.
  • Another participant expresses dissatisfaction with a specific animation, suggesting it misrepresents the nature of the "gravity well" as a spacelike surface and provides a link to a more advanced simulation program that includes light trajectories.
  • A third participant recommends additional resources, specifically animations by Steve Drasco, noting their aesthetic appeal but questioning their educational value.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of the animations or simulations discussed. There are differing opinions on their educational value and accuracy in representing gravitational effects.

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Some participants reference specific technical aspects of the simulations, such as the representation of spacelike surfaces and the simulation of light trajectories, which may imply assumptions about the underlying physics that are not fully explored in the discussion.

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Individuals interested in General Relativity, black hole physics, and computational simulations of gravitational phenomena may find this discussion and the shared resources beneficial.

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Came across some interesting animations here...test particle orbiting a black hole:

Orbits in strongly curved spacetime
http://www.fourmilab.ch/gravitation/orbits/

In strong gravitational fields, General Relativity predicts orbits drastically different from the ellipses of Kepler's laws. This page allows you to explore them.

The precession advance of Mercury [which helped confirm Einstein's theory] is described under ...

The Gravitational Effective-Potential

...In Einstein's theory, the inability of the particle to orbit at or above the speed of light creates a “pit in the potential” near the black hole. As the test mass approaches this summit, falling in from larger radii with greater and greater velocity, it will linger near the energy peak for an increasingly long time, while its continued angular motion will result in more and more precession. If the particle passes the energy peak and continues to lesser radii, toward the left, its fate is sealed—it will fall into the black hole and be captured...

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I learned a lot from looking at the source code for that program, but was not happy with the "gravity well" animation because AIUI that should be a spacelike surface . . .
Here is a similar but more advanced program, again with source available:
http://stuleja.org/grorbits/
GROrbits can also simulate light trajectories and those for black holes spinning in the equatorial plane.
I use it as a check for my 4D geodesic simulations.
 
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That ain't nothing. Check out Steve Drasco's stuff,

http://www.tapir.caltech.edu/~sdrasco/animations/index.html
 
Sam Gralla said:
That ain't nothing. Check out Steve Drasco's stuff,
Hmm, quite pretty, but a little too read-only for my tastes, not sure how I can learn very much from that.
 

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