Ordering Books about GR: Recommendations and Necessity

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for books on General Relativity (GR) suitable for high school students. Participants share their thoughts on specific titles, the necessity of certain books, and the appropriate order for reading them, focusing on both the mathematical prerequisites and the accessibility of the texts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests ordering three specific books on GR but questions the necessity of two additional titles.
  • Another participant recommends Hartle's book over Weinberg's for beginners, stating that all GR books typically cover the necessary mathematics.
  • It is proposed that vector analysis should be read first to understand multicomponent objects before tackling GR texts.
  • Some participants express that reading about differential geometry and tensor calculus is optional, depending on the reader's comfort with GR after initial readings.
  • There is a suggestion that Zee's book could be beneficial after Hartle's, although it is noted to be more advanced.
  • One participant mentions difficulty finding Hartle's book and considers reading Lieber instead, which is confirmed as an acceptable alternative by others.
  • Several participants express personal preferences for different GR texts, including D'Inverno's and Carroll's books, while cautioning against Weinberg for introductory levels.
  • A participant shares their plan to read Lieber and a vector analysis book first, indicating a need to print Hartle's book due to cost concerns.
  • There is a question about whether Lieber provides sufficient information on cosmology, prompting further inquiry into additional resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Hartle's book is suitable for beginners, while there is no consensus on the necessity of additional texts like Lieber or the order of reading. Multiple competing views exist regarding the best approach to learning GR and the importance of certain mathematical prerequisites.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of individual learning styles and the varying levels of understanding among readers, which may influence their choices in book selection and reading order.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for high school students interested in learning about General Relativity, educators seeking to recommend resources, or anyone looking for guidance on introductory texts in the field.

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I will order books about GR.Here what I think
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1589880447/?tag=pfamazon01-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0070379858/?tag=pfamazon01-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0471925675/?tag=pfamazon01-20
I will order these.
Here the extra books which I need recommend.Is these are necessery.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0071756035/?tag=pfamazon01-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0071615458/?tag=pfamazon01-20
I am in high school.(Some of members know it)I just want to ask I will order first three books.Is last two books are necessary ?.If you have any extra ideas you can share with me.
Thanks
 
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At first I should say that Weinberg's book isn't proper for you. I suggest you read Hartle's instead.
And about the mathematics needed. All GR books I've seen provide the needed mathematics, including Hartle's. So I suggest you to read GR books first and then, when you have an idea about differential geometry and tensor calculus, read the Schaum's books.
An exception to the above is vector analysis. I think its better to read the vector analysis book first so that you have some idea of multicomponent objects.
I should also say that the above applies if you have a good understanding of calculus and Newtonian physics, at least!

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Zee's book is very nice too. I think its better to read this. But it depends on your level. Its a bit more advanced than Hartle's but is very pedagogical. So you may want to choose this if you think you can do it.
 
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So I sould read first Vector analysis then The Einstein Theory of Relatvity Dimension then Hartle book then Differantial Geometry then Tensor Calculus ??
Note:Thanks for Hartle book Its fantastic
 
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So I sould read first Vector analysis then The Einstein Theory of Relatvity Dimension then Hartle book then Differantial Geometry then Tensor Calculus ??
I don't think that book by Lieber et.al. is necessary. You may do without it, Hartle is enough.
Also, reading a book specially about differential geometry or tensor calculus is optional. If after reading the GR book, you feel good about everything, you may feel you don't need to read those.
In fact I feel its good for you to read Zee's after Hartle's. It helps you in both physics and math. After that you may want to attack Weinberg's or other advanced books. But its again better to learn some more physics and then read more advanced GR books.
But yes, I think you should first read the vector analysis book.
 
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Thank you
 
I couldn't found Hartles book.Can I read Lieber instead ?
 
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I couldn't found Hartles book.Can I read Lieber instead ?
Yes!
 
Personally I like D'Inverno --Introducing Einstein's Relativity. Indeed Hartle is very good too.

Yes... as already mentioned above, don't get Weinberg for the introductionary level.
 
I'm reading Sean Carroll's book and think it's pretty wonderful. So is Schutz's book.
 
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I ordered Lieber and vector analysis book.They will come in 45 days.I will not order Weinberg book now.When I finish my book,I will start reading Hartle's I guess. I found pdf format of Hartle's but I can't read a book from computer.So I need to fnish these books to order new one.

Everyone has a different learning style.So everyone has a different idea.

I ordered Lieber cause its easy to understant for High school level.I can't bought hartle its too expansive.But I have a idea.I will going to print hartles book.Then I will going to read like that.But I think I need to read first Lieber.
 
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Is Lieber gives enough info about cosmology ? Or should I read another book after Lieber
 

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