Ordering Dozen Doughnuts: How Many Ways?

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The problem involves determining the number of ways to order a dozen doughnuts from 5 different types, where the order of selection does not matter. The original poster explores various combinatorial approaches to solve this problem.

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  • The original poster initially considers a direct calculation method but realizes the need to account for indistinguishable arrangements. They attempt to break the problem into cases based on the number of doughnuts ordered but encounter confusion regarding the arrangements for two doughnuts. Other participants suggest a combinatorial approach using the concept of distributing items into boxes, leading to a hint about using combinations.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different methods and interpretations. A significant hint has been provided regarding the use of combinatorial arrangements, which has prompted further reflection from the original poster. There is no explicit consensus yet, as participants are still working through the problem.

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The original poster expresses frustration over the complexity of the problem and the difficulty in relating simpler cases to the main problem. There is an acknowledgment of the need for a clearer understanding of combinatorial principles.

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The doughnut shop has 5 kinds of doughnuts: a, b, c,d and e. There are unlimited supply of each kind. In how many ways can you order a dozen doughnuts?


Well, my first instict is to simply 5^12. But then I realize aaaab is the same as baaaa... hence the order doesn't matter.

I'm trying to do it by cases:

Case 1: one daughnuts only.

(5 C 1) x 1 = 5 ways

Case 2: two daughnuts only.

(5 C 2) x 13 = 130
But this include one daughnuts, so its 130-5 = 125.

The problem starts here. I don't know why the arrangements for 2 daughnuts is 13. I got it by simply listing out all the cases.

Then I tried using simpler problems, like let's say you want to buy 5 daughnuts out of 3 different daughnuts. I can find out the number of ways for this one, but I see no relation if let's say you want to buy 6 daughnuts.

I sat down for 2 hours and still couldn't figure it out :(

My last bet is 13^4... but that's a wild guess. Help is appreciated.
 
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Here's a big hint:

You've got 5 labeled boxes (call them boxes 1,2,3,4,5), one for each type of doughnut. You want to fill these 5 boxes with 12 doughnuts, any number per box.

Here's how I'm going to represent the boxes:

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5

We now have to distribute 12 doughnuts among these boxes. One such distribution might look like the following (I'm hiding the box numbers and representing doughnuts by circles) :

oo|ooo|o|ooooo|o

The answer we are looking for is hence nothing but the number of ways of arranging these 12 circles and 4 lines in different patterns. Can you think of a way to count these? Can you then generalize the problem to n doughnuts and k boxes (or k types)?
 
Darn I should have thought about grouping the donuts together... how dumb am I :(

So it's simply 16 C 4, or 16!/(4!12!) since there are 16 items, 4 alike, 12 alike.

That hint is REALLY big. THANKS!
 
Okay, I'll make it smaller next time.
 

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