Organic Chem [Napthalene and benzoic acid]

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the separation of a mixture of naphthalene and benzoic acid, both aromatic compounds, without the use of organic solvents. Participants explore the physical and chemical properties of these compounds, particularly their solubility in water and the potential use of sodium hydroxide in the separation process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using water for separation due to the carboxylic group in benzoic acid, despite acknowledging its limited solubility.
  • Another participant asserts that benzoic acid is not soluble in water, prompting a discussion on the solubility of ionic compounds like NaCl.
  • A participant proposes adding sodium hydroxide to dissolve benzoic acid, indicating a potential method for separation.
  • There is a correction regarding the solubility of benzoic acid, with a later participant suggesting it is weakly soluble in cold water.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of recrystallizing benzoic acid from water, depending on the intended separation method.
  • Another participant provides a detailed solubility chart for benzoic acid at various temperatures, noting that naphthalene is insoluble in water and discussing the implications for hot filtration.
  • Concerns are raised about maintaining appropriate temperatures during the separation process to avoid forming a eutectic mixture.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the solubility of benzoic acid in water, with some asserting it is not soluble while others suggest it is weakly soluble. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method for separation and the implications of temperature on the process.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about solubility and the conditions under which separation can occur, particularly concerning temperature management and the potential formation of eutectics.

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Hi guys, I've got a question which i couldn't solve.

Both napthalene (two benzene ring join together) and benzoic acid are aromatic compounds which exist as white solids.

Based on their physical ahd chemical properties, describe how you could separate the components of a mixture of these two compounds without using any organic solvent.

My only guess is to use water, since benzoic acid has the carboxylic group, but again, benzoic acid is not so soluble in water right? Any other options i could use?
 
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Benzoic ACID is not souble in water. What substances are soluble? Like - why NaCl is soluble?

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NaCl is soluble because it is ionic. oh oh, can i add NaOH ? So that the benzoic dissolve in it :) ?
 
That's what I would do :smile:

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Borek said:
Benzoic ACID is not souble in water.

Actually, this may not quite be true. Depending on what you actually want to do, I think you can recrystallise benzoic acid from water.
 
Yes, it was a little bit of exagerration on my side. Let's say weakly soluble in the cold water.

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Thanks :) but then again, it is a 7 marks question. So by adding NaOH and filter and yield the acid back by adding acid. This would really give me the 7 marks would it @_@ ?
 
Question asks for using chemical properties, so I think yes. But I am known to be occasionally wrong :wink:

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Hehe thanks borek~
 
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The solubility of benzoic acid in water is:

Temp, solubility (g/L)
0oC, 1.7
10oC, 2.1
20oC, 2.9
25oC, 3.4
30oC, 4.2
40oC, 6.0
50oC, 9.5
60oC, 12.0
70oC, 17.7
80oC, 27.5
90oC, 45.5
95oC, 68.0

Naphthalene is entirely insoluble in water, so hot filtration could be used but since naphthalene melts at 80oC, you would have to keep it way below that temperature since it is likely to form a lower melting eutectic with benzoic acid. It is likely you wouldn't be able to use temperatures of greater than 50oC to 60oC. You would have to use a LOT of warm water!

I think you will get your marks if you follow Borek's advice...
 

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