ORGANIC Chemistry: Nucleophilic Substitution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the preparation of specific organic molecules through nucleophilic substitution reactions. Participants explore how to identify appropriate leaving groups and nucleophiles to achieve the desired products, focusing on theoretical understanding and practical application in organic chemistry.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the homework question, initially misunderstanding the task as needing to identify leaving groups rather than reactants.
  • Another participant clarifies that the products are given, and the goal is to determine how to synthesize them from suitable reactants using nucleophilic substitution.
  • A participant suggests using Br as a leaving group in one of the reactions and proposes a specific reaction pathway involving (CH3)3C-Br and NaOCH3.
  • Another participant discusses the use of halogenoalkanes as starting materials, noting the polarized nature of C-X bonds (where X is a halogen) that facilitates nucleophilic attack.
  • One participant confirms the correctness of proposed reactions and highlights the significance of adding a carbon to the chain when using CN as a nucleophile.
  • There is mention of the potential hydrolysis of the CN group into a carboxylic group and ammonia, indicating further implications for the reactions discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confidence regarding the reactions. While some agree on the proposed pathways, there is no consensus on all aspects of the problem, and uncertainty remains about the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of identifying good electrophiles and nucleophiles, as well as the implications of adding carbons to the molecular structure in future problems. There are unresolved questions about specific reagents and reaction mechanisms.

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Homework Statement



8) How might you prepare each of the following molecules using a nucleophilic substitution at some step?
a) (CH3)3-O-CH3

b)CH3CH2CH2CH2CN

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The Attempt at a Solution



I'm really not sure what's being asked.

I'm going to assume that I need to pick a leaving group and substitute it with some kind of nucleophile...

So...for part a I chose O for the leaving group and part b I chose CN as the leaving group.

However, I have no clue where to go from there...what am I trying to create?

Thanks for any help!
 
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You have it backwards. . . they are giving you the products, and asking how you would make them from (insert your own reactants) using substitution.

I am not sure if I am supposed to help you any further, so I will refrain from more details at this point. . .

The idea is being able to identify parts of a product that would make a good electrophile, or in this case, have already made a good electrophile; as well as knowing what are some GOOD/GREAT nucleophiles, and then use this knowledge to think about how a nucleophile would attack an electrophile to give the desired product.

Others: please feel free to correct me with any terminology or other mistakes I have made, my o-chem is rusty, but hopefully with the more time I spend here it will start to come back to me :P
 
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Ohh, that makes more sense...

Though, I'm still not completely sure how to go about doing this.

We've worked problems like this in class, but the other way. We usually push Br out of the system and then the nucleophile takes its place.

Could I pick Br to replace CN in part b?

In part a, I'm not sure which molecule came in...

EDIT:
I think I figured it out...

(CH3)3C-Br + NaOCH3 ----> (CH3)3C-OCH3 + NaBr

CH3CH2CH2CH2I + NaCN ----> CH3CH2CH2CH2CN + NaI
 
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I have no idea what the first reagent is.

For the second one which contains cyanide, usually we use halogenoalkanes. Halogens usually contains very polarised bonds, since halogens have high electronegativity usually. The polarised carbon would attract a nucleophile which is CN- ions in this case.

You could use for example CH3CH2CH2CH2Cl and acidified KCN solution as reagents. Then CN- ions are likely to attack the C-Cl bond which has positive charge on the carbon atom.

Just giving some ideas
 
bluey2014 said:
Ohh, that makes more sense...

Though, I'm still not completely sure how to go about doing this.

We've worked problems like this in class, but the other way. We usually push Br out of the system and then the nucleophile takes its place.

Could I pick Br to replace CN in part b?

In part a, I'm not sure which molecule came in...

EDIT:
I think I figured it out...

(CH3)3C-Br + NaOCH3 ----> (CH3)3C-OCH3 + NaBr

CH3CH2CH2CH2I + NaCN ----> CH3CH2CH2CH2CN + NaI
Both of your answers look correct to me, but it would be best if someone else could double check. . .

Another thing of importance to note is that using CN as a nucleophile adds one more carbon to the chain. . . there will be problems later on (in either ochem 1 or 2) where you will have to add carbons, so this is something good to remember.

:)
 
Highway said:
Both of your answers look correct to me, but it would be best if someone else could double check. . .

Another thing of importance to note is that using CN as a nucleophile adds one more carbon to the chain. . . there will be problems later on (in either ochem 1 or 2) where you will have to add carbons, so this is something good to remember.

:)

Yes, CN group could be hydrolysed into carboxylic group and ammonia by either acid or base.
 

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