Can Electric Fields Alone Levitate a Train?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of designing a levitated train using only electric fields, without any magnetic fields, exploring theoretical implications and practical challenges associated with such a concept.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of using electric fields alone for levitation, noting that every electric field induces a magnetic field, which complicates the idea.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the potential for current discharges in the presence of a large electric field, especially considering the weight of the train.
  • A different participant explains that while magnetic levitation (Maglev) trains operate without friction due to magnetic fields, electric fields cannot achieve the same effect, referencing Gauss' Law and Laplace's Equation to support their argument.
  • One participant requests further clarification on the technical explanation provided, indicating a desire for more backing to understand the concepts better.
  • The initial questioner later acknowledges that the explanation given was clear enough, suggesting some level of understanding was reached.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using electric fields for levitation, with some supporting the idea that it is not possible while others seek further clarification on the concepts involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the potential for electric fields to levitate a train.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about electric fields and their interactions with charged particles, as well as the implications of Gauss' Law in this context. The mathematical steps and definitions used in the arguments are not fully explored or agreed upon.

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Hey guys.
Im currently troubled with a physics theory that i can't explain, or prove.
The question:

Discuss whether it would be possible to design a similar train (Magnetic Levitated Train) by putting the electric field to use (and not using a magnetic field at all).


So i have to see if its possible to create a leviated train, with just the use of Electric Fields, and no magnetic fields. This is technically impossible because every electric field induces a magnetic field. Correct?

I need some more detailed insight on this question though.
Thankyou in advance for your help.

hypnotik'
 
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well, wouldn't a huge electric field like that make current discharges in the surrounding?

trains are pretty heavy...

but don't count my opinion on it, I am still learning physics
 
Maglev trains can achieve high speeds because they are not limited by friction forces. This is because the train does not sit on the rails, instead it is suspended above them (Hence Maglev: MAGnetic LEVitation).

While magnetic fields can be used to contain charged particles (and thus suspend the trains in midair), electric fields cannot. For a region of space with no free charges, Gauss' Law becomes;

\nabla \cdot \vec{E} = 0

Since, by definition,

\vec{E} = -\nabla V

Gauss' Law can therefore be written in terms of V

\nabla^2V = 0

This is Laplace's Equation. Laplace's equation implies, that for a region of space with no charge, there are no potential minima or maxima. Thus there is no region in space where the train can sit, it will be pushed one way or the other until it enters a region with a non-zero charge density.

Claude.
 
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Are you sure that is the correct understanding?

Could oyu provide more backing?..

thanks a lot for your effort.

hypnotik'
 
actually that explanation is clear enough, thank you

hypnotik'
 

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