Orifice design for pressure drop

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The discussion revolves around the design of an orifice plate for reducing the pressure of a constant flowing liquid. Participants explore whether a single large hole or multiple smaller holes is more effective, considering factors such as pressure drop, flow rate, and potential blockage of smaller holes. The context includes theoretical considerations, practical implications, and references to standards.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a single large hole is preferable due to the pressure dynamics at the vena contracta, while others argue that multiple smaller holes could theoretically yield similar pressure drops if their total area matches that of the larger hole.
  • One participant notes that smaller holes may lead to greater pressure loss and potential blockage over time, complicating the design.
  • Another participant references standards (ASME PTC 19.5) that favor single-hole designs, indicating that they have been optimized for accuracy.
  • Some contributions highlight the complexities of flow dynamics, suggesting that the relationship between pressure drop and flow rate is not straightforward and may require calibration for accurate measurement.
  • Concerns are raised about the influence of hole arrangement on flow patterns and the potential for interference between multiple holes.
  • Participants mention the importance of considering the discharge coefficient and the effects of viscosity and Reynolds number in the design process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of single versus multiple holes, with no consensus reached. Some support the single-hole approach, while others see merit in multiple smaller holes, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is not a straightforward application of Bernoulli's principle and that various factors, such as hole arrangement and fluid properties, complicate the design considerations. The accuracy of pressure drop calculations and the influence of flow regime are also highlighted as significant factors.

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When designing an orifice plate to reduce the pressure of a constant flowing liquid, is it best to have one large hole in the center or multiple smaller holes?

One example: Pipe diameter = 10 inches, Flow = 2800 gpm water, pressure drop = 150 psi, temperature = 115 F. The hole diameter needs to be about 6 inches.

If many smaller holes are better, how are they sized? Do you have there cross-sectional areas add up to the cross-sectional area of the 6 in hole?

Thank you.
 
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pjo said:
When designing an orifice plate to reduce the pressure of a constant flowing liquid, is it best to have one large hole in the center or multiple smaller holes?

One example: Pipe diameter = 10 inches, Flow = 2800 gpm water, pressure drop = 150 psi, temperature = 115 F. The hole diameter needs to be about 6 inches.

If many smaller holes are better, how are they sized? Do you have there cross-sectional areas add up to the cross-sectional area of the 6 in hole?

Thank you.

Never really thought about it much to be honest. However, I imagine that the smaller the hole the larger the pressure loss. That is, it wouldn't be the same as adding up the area of the small holes so they equal the same area of the large hole.

An additional consideration would be if the smaller holes became blocked over time due to the fluid flow (i.e. scale or some type of build up).

CS
 
Without details of the orifice purpose it's difficult to comment.

BS1042 gives details of hydraulic orifices for measurement purposes.

Further discussion of the equations may be found in this paper

http://www.publish.csiro.au/paper/EA9690449.htm

I am sorry there must be American equivalent standards but I don't know them.
 
It has to be a single hole, the downstream pressure is the pressure in the vena contracta if you had multiple holes you would be measuring the correct pressure. The American standard is ASME PTC 19.5
 
I'm not sure about the standards, but a large single hole or several smaller ones should produce about the same result.

Bernoulli's principle tells us that as the flow area decreases (at the orifice), the velocity increases and the pressure decreases, assuming the fluid is incompressible. If the area of the large hole and the "total" area of the smaller holes are the same, then the pressure drop at the orifice should be the same.

Of course, nothing ever works exactly like theory.
 
As Jobrag said, you want it to be a single hole. With multiple holes, you will get uncertainty in the pressure drop from some holes being in a different flowfield than the rest, in addition to effects of one hole on another.

From a more practical note, as Jobrag mentioned, the ASME orifice sizing specs are written for a single hole. They already did the hard work for you.
 
I am guessing but since the OP has not come back this is not a real design exercise but a coursework or book question. I am not sure why the pressure reduction is required.

However others have chosen to discuss the issue so here are my thoughts. This is not a simple Bernoulli application.

The relationship between pressure drop and flow rate is not calculable with sufficient accuracy for measurement purposes. Flowmeters based on this principle have to be individually calibrated. However we can estimate ball park figure, which could be accurate enough to, for instance, compare with a finite element flow model.

Whatever, The more holes one has the greater the circumference to area ratio or the more circumference one needs to provide a given area. This alters the friction and in turn the Reynolds number and the discharge coefficient.
As has aready been pointed out the flow regime is not constant across a pipe section and so the distribution of the holes would play a part. It is also likely that if they were too close together the local flow regime near one hole would influence its neighbours.
However, offset and non circular holes are standard practice details can be found in the reference below.

All such meters have a 'discharge coefficient'. This is the ratio of actual discharge to the theoretical. For a single hole plate it is around 0.65. Orifice plates have the advantage of flatter characteristics with flow rate.

An engineer wishing to answer some of these questions would need to use the temperature to look up the viscoscity in standard tables. Using this and the pressure drop he could then calculate the Reynolds number and armed with this could enter more standard tables to look up the discharge coefficient. Using this he could derive a flow rate.

Further information and a standard calculator is available at

http://www.flowmeterdirectory.com/flowmeter_orifice_plate.html
 

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