Orthonormal basis/Gram-Schmidt [Easy?]

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The problem involves analyzing a surface patch defined by the function σ(t,θ) = (coshtcosθ, coshtsinθ, t), where t is a real number and θ ranges from -π to π. The task is to demonstrate that this function defines a regular surface patch and to find an orthonormal basis for the tangent space at specific points of the form P = (cosht, 0, t).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the surface patch to find tangent vectors and the application of the Gram-Schmidt process to establish orthogonality. There is confusion regarding the relationship between the point P and the tangent space vectors, as well as the implications of substituting θ=0 into the basis vectors.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the nature of the tangent space and the specific points on the surface. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of substituting values into the basis vectors, and participants are questioning their understanding of the relationship between the surface patch and the tangent space.

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There is a noted typo in the components of the tangent vectors, which has been acknowledged by participants. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify the mathematical reasoning and the interpretation of the problem statement.

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Homework Statement



Consider the surface patch σ(t,θ) = (coshtcosθ, coshtsinθ, t) where t is an element of the set of real numbers and θ is an element from (-pi, pi).

Show that σ defines a regular surface patch and find an orthonormal basis for the tangent space (TpS) at points of the form P = (cosht, 0, t)

The Attempt at a Solution


I have done the regular surface patch part. Now just wondering how I go about the orthonormal basis part.

By differentiation:
u1 = ∂σ/dt = (sinhtcosθ, sinhtsinθ, 1) and
u2 = ∂σ/dθ = (-coshtsinθ, coshtcosθ, 1)

Using Gram-Schmidt, I found that u1 and u2 are already orthogonal since the inner product is 0.

I can then normalize u1 and u2:
v1 = u1/|u1| = (sinhtcosθ, sinhtsinθ, 1)/cosht
v2 = u2/|u2| = (-coshtsinθ, coshtcosθ, 1)/cosht

Now I don't know where to go from here...
I thought maybe I should check for a linear combination such that
(cosht, 0, t) = Av1 + Bv2

and then see if the constants A & B satisfy all 3 equations, but that didn't seem to work...
Any other suggestions?
 
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You DEFINITELY don't want to try and solve P=Av1+Bv2 or anything like that. P is a point on the surface and v1 and v2 are in the tangent space. They don't really mix. I think you are basically done, except you've got a typo in the last component of u2 and v2, right? The points P=(cosh(t),0,t) are just the points on the surface where theta=0. You could put theta=0 into v1 and v2.
 
thanks for the swift reply!
yeah its a typo, last component of u2/v2 should be 0, just an error in copy & paste!

I'm a bit confused with the second part you mentioned, putting theta = 0 into v1 and v2. How did you come to the conclusion that P are points where theta = 0?

Anyhow, if I do this, I'll get...

v1 = (sinht, 0, 1)
v2 = (0, cosht, 0)

Confused!
 
sk1001 said:
thanks for the swift reply!
yeah its a typo, last component of u2/v2 should be 0, just an error in copy & paste!

I'm a bit confused with the second part you mentioned, putting theta = 0 into v1 and v2. How did you come to the conclusion that P are points where theta = 0?

Anyhow, if I do this, I'll get...

v1 = (sinht, 0, 1)
v2 = (0, cosht, 0)

Confused!

If I put theta=0 into sigma(t,theta), I get P=(cosh(t),0,t). P is just a curve on the surface where theta=0. (sinh(t),0,1) and (0,cosh(t),0) are an orthonormal basis along that curve. Of course, you did more. You know an orthonormal basis everywhere.
 
ah of course, what am I talking about!

so just to make things crystal clear..
σ(t,θ) = (coshtcosθ, coshtsinθ, t)
σ(t,0) = (cosht, 0, t)

Then I have an orthonormal basis
v1 = u1/|u1| = (sinhtcosθ, sinhtsinθ, 1)/cosht
v2 = u2/|u2| = (-coshtsinθ, coshtcosθ, 1)/cosht

Now I plug θ=0 into my orthonal basis vectors and get..
v1 = (sinht, 0, 1)
v2 = (0, cosht, 0)

The end.
Correct?
 
sk1001 said:
ah of course, what am I talking about!

so just to make things crystal clear..
σ(t,θ) = (coshtcosθ, coshtsinθ, t)
σ(t,0) = (cosht, 0, t)

Then I have an orthonormal basis
v1 = u1/|u1| = (sinhtcosθ, sinhtsinθ, 1)/cosht
v2 = u2/|u2| = (-coshtsinθ, coshtcosθ, 1)/cosht

Now I plug θ=0 into my orthonal basis vectors and get..
v1 = (sinht, 0, 1)
v2 = (0, cosht, 0)

The end.
Correct?

That's all I can think of to do.
 
I was confused before, read the question a little different.
But your suggestion makes a lot more sense when I re-read the question.

Thanks for the help!
 

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