Orthonormal system in Hilbert space

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The discussion revolves around the properties of orthonormal systems in Hilbert spaces, particularly focusing on the concepts of density and span. Participants explore the implications of the union of spans of orthonormal sets and clarify definitions related to dense subsets.

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  • One participant questions the necessity of the union of spans in the context of dense subsets and seeks to understand the difference between the span of a sequence of orthonormal vectors and the union of their spans.
  • Another participant provides an analogy using orthogonal unit vectors in \(\mathbb{R}^2\) to illustrate the difference between the union of spans and the span of multiple vectors.
  • A participant suggests that the notation used may refer to finite linear combinations, emphasizing the distinction between finite and infinite spans.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition of density in Hilbert spaces, with one participant arguing that a subset does not need to be dense to include a basis.
  • A later reply questions whether the original author misused the term "dense subset" to mean "a subset with dense span."

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of density and span in Hilbert spaces. There is no consensus on the necessity of the union of spans or the correct interpretation of density.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the definitions of dense subsets and the implications of using union versus span in the context of vector spaces. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in notation and definitions.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and researchers in mathematics and physics, particularly those studying functional analysis and Hilbert spaces.

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Let H be a Hilbert space. Let F be a subset of H.
F is dense in H if:
<f,h>=0 for all f in F => h=0
Now take an orthonormal set (ek) (this is a countable sequence indexed by k) in H. My book says that obviously:
\bigcupspan(ek) is dense in H (the union runs over all k)
=>
g=Ʃ<g,ek>ek
Now first of all:
Why do we need the union of the spans in the above? What is the difference between the span of the sequence of countably many units vectors and the union of the spans?
And then: Why is the above implication obvious?
 
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What is the difference between the span of the sequence of countably many units vectors and the union of the spans?

I don't know about the rest of your question, but think about two orthogonal unit vectors x and y in \mathbb{R}^2. Span(x) and span(y) are both straight lines, so the union of span(x) and span(y) would be two crossed straight lines; it would look like an "X". On the other hand, span({x,y}) is the whole plane.
 
yes, so why include the union if it is already included in span(e_k)
 
The notation there isn't clear enough, but I think what it's naming is \bigcup_{n=1}^\infty \text{span}[\{e_k\}_{k=1}^n], which some people would just call \text{span}[\{e_k\}_{k=1}^\infty]. The value of the former notation is that it reminds us that in a vector space the words "linear combination" mean (by definition) finite linear combination.
 
Let H be a Hilbert space. Let F be a subset of H.
F is dense in H if:
<f,h>=0 for all f in F => h=0
That doesn't look right. F could be any subset that includes a basis. It doesn't have to be dense.
 
^ Good catch.

Is it possible that the author has "taken the liberty" if misusing "a dense subset" to actually mean "a subset with dense span"?
 

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