Oscillating Magnetic Field Heating up blood

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The discussion centers on the effects of oscillating magnetic fields on oxidative stress in erythrocytes, particularly focusing on the potential heating effects of these fields at various frequencies and field strengths. Participants explore the implications of using a field strength of 10 microTesla and frequencies ranging from DC to 1 MHz, raising questions about temperature changes and measurement methods.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express doubt that a 10 microTesla magnetic field would produce measurable heating effects, suggesting it is less than Earth's magnetic field.
  • Others argue that while the field strength is low, the heating effect is more related to frequency, with a claim that heating is roughly proportional to the square of the frequency.
  • A participant notes that controlling the temperature of samples is crucial to avoid confounding thermal stress with oxidative stress measurements.
  • One participant mentions that the power dissipated by the resistance of the coil is negligible, but further calculations regarding heat from magnetic and induced electric fields are necessary.
  • There is a discussion about the differences between the main magnetic field strength in MRI systems (around 1 T) and the RF field strength (around 10 uT), with emphasis on their distinct roles in heating effects.
  • Some participants clarify that the oscillating RF magnetic field does cause significant heating, while the static main magnetic field does not.
  • One participant references the specific absorption rate (SAR) as a safety concern related to RF systems, emphasizing the importance of the oscillating nature of the RF field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the heating effects of the oscillating magnetic field, with some asserting that it will not cause significant heating while others argue that it can. The discussion remains unresolved on the extent of heating and the implications for experimental design.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the need for careful calculations regarding heating effects, but there are unresolved assumptions about the relationship between field strength, frequency, and temperature changes. The discussion also highlights the complexity of measuring oxidative stress in the presence of thermal effects.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers and practitioners interested in the effects of electromagnetic fields on biological systems, particularly in the context of oxidative stress and experimental design in biomedical applications.

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Hi,

I want to measure the effect of oscillating magnetic fields on oxidative stress in erythrocytes.
I will use frequencies ranging from 0Hz (i.e DC) up to 1MHz the field strength will be 10uT.
But I am not sure if I can do this. Wouldn't the oscillating magnetic field heat up the sample?
Or does that only happen with waves in the Microwave region?
How can I calculate the rise in temperature?

thanks
VVS
 
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VVS said:
... the field strength will be 10uT... Wouldn't the oscillating magnetic field heat up the sample?

At 10uT [ten microTesla], (which is less than Earth's magnetic field), I doubt it will have any measurable heating effect ...

nih.gov said:
Magnetohydrodynamics of blood flow ...
10-T magnetic field changes the vascular pressure in a model of the human vasculature by less than 0.2%.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2255234

Heat in the electromagnets themselves (due to the current passing through them) could be transferred to the blood though.The electric fields necessary to effect RBCs have to be large too ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13222
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8294130
 
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VVS said:
I want to measure the effect of oscillating magnetic fields on oxidative stress in erythrocytes.
I will use frequencies ranging from 0Hz (i.e DC) up to 1MHz the field strength will be 10uT.
But I am not sure if I can do this. Wouldn't the oscillating magnetic field heat up the sample?
Or does that only happen with waves in the Microwave region?
How can I calculate the rise in temperature?
There will definitely be heating, although at the low frequencies you are using it should not be too much. However, I would recommend that you control the temperature of your samples so that they all have identical temperature. Otherwise you will be measuring thermal stress in combination with oxidative stress. If you control the temperature then calculating it will be irrelevant.
 
B0b-A said:
At 10uT [ten microTesla], (which is less than Earth's magnetic field), I doubt it will have any measurable heating effect ...
10 uT is within the range of field strength generated by modern RF coils in MRI. They definitely produce measurable heating. The heating effect is more related to the frequency than the field strength. Specifically, the heating is roughly proportional to the square of the frequency, so at these low frequencies it should be low.
 
Thanks for everybody's answers. I already calculated the power dissipated by the resistance of the coil and the corresponding heat created. This is negligible. However after your answers I will have to calculate the heat created by the magnetic and the induced electric field. For that I guess I will have to use the Poynting Vector. Are oscillating magnetic fields and electric fields in inductors electromagnetic waves?
Thanks again
 
DaleSpam said:
10 uT is within the range of field strength generated by modern RF coils in MRI. They definitely produce measurable heating. The heating effect is more related to the frequency than the field strength. Specifically, the heating is roughly proportional to the square of the frequency, so at these low frequencies it should be low.

no that's VERY tiny compared to a MRI unit :)

from wiki and other places ...
MRI requires a magnetic field that is both strong and uniform. The field strength of the magnet is measured in tesla – and while the majority of systems operate at 1.5T, commercial systems are available between 0.2T–7T.

cheers
Dave
 
The main magnetic field strength is on the order of 1 T. The RF field strength is on the order of 10 uT. They are different fields.
 
yes but we are not talking about RF field strength :wink:

it was the magnetic field strength that was being asked about
 
davenn said:
yes but we are not talking about RF field strength :wink:

it was the magnetic field strength that was being asked about
Yes, we are talking about the RF field strength. The RF field in a MRI system is an oscillating magnetic field (see the title of the thread). The OP is not discussing the main magnetic field strength which does not oscillate. The main field is completely irrelevant to the discussion here.

Even though it is large, the main magnetic field does not cause any significant heating because it does not oscillate. Even though it is small, the RF magnetic field does cause significant heating precisely because it oscillates. The SAR (the measure of heating) is a significant safety concern for the RF system, not the main field. The danger of the main field is due to projectiles and other ferromagnetic forces, not heating.

In a MRI system a typical RF pulse causes a 180° precession in 1 ms. The gyromagnetic ratio for hydrogen is 42.58 MHz/T. That works out to 11.7 uT for that typical RF pulse. If you look at the FDA guidelines and the vendor safety sheets you can see that all of the SAR constraints are related to that ~10 uT RF magnetic field, not the ~3 T main magnetic field.

With all due respect, davenn, I do research and design of new MRI systems and techniques for a living.
 
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