Overcoming Bias in Language and Science

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The discussion centers around the challenges faced by non-native English speakers in communicating complex ideas, particularly in fields like quantum physics. Participants acknowledge that language proficiency does not equate to intelligence, emphasizing the importance of understanding and clarity in discussions. There is a recognition that a language barrier can hinder effective communication, leading to frustration and potential bias against those who struggle with English. The conversation also touches on the need for patience and consideration among speakers, as well as the value of multilingualism. Some participants share their own experiences with language learning, highlighting the dedication required to master a second language. Overall, the thread underscores the significance of clear communication and mutual respect in discussions involving diverse linguistic backgrounds.
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I can't be subjected to the bias because English speak not good?
Can't is not high to be subjected to the bias because of the quantum physics level?
I think regardless is who we are equal.Regardless the level is high and low, regardless how English is.
 
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Yes what you say is correct. However, if most of us find it difficult to understand what you say, what can we do but ignore you?
 
Well,i'm a nonnative English speaker as well,and therefore make spelling mistakes on my own,but I undertstand very well your situation.Ignorance is not an option.

Daniel.
 
Well there are different degrees of understanding. I mean thinker can't even get sentence structure correct -- it's a difficult thing to do, to be able to speak two different languages (I can personally), but some basics have to be there. Having seen a lot of his posts, it's fairly obvious that Daniel isn't a native English speaker, but then it's not obvious by reading just one or two which goes to show that he understands the language well.

I don't mean we should ignore, but perhaps try to answer the questions raised, and ask for further clarification.

But when thinker is talking about theories that he/she has devised, and formulas that he/she has derived, in something that can remotely be called English, it is difficult to find the motivation to pursue the issue.
 
thinker said:
I can't be subjected to the bias because English speak not good?
Can't is not high to be subjected to the bias because of the quantum physics level?
I think regardless is who we are equal.Regardless the level is high and low, regardless how English is.

Even though someone might nag about it, it certainly is not an issue of any kind, and at most it means that we need a couple of more rounds of iteration when discussing topics. Those who are better able need to be considerate.
 
thinker said:
I can't be subjected to the bias because English speak not good?
Can't is not high to be subjected to the bias because of the quantum physics level?
I think regardless is who we are equal.Regardless the level is high and low, regardless how English is.



Your ability to speak english is not indicative of your intelligence, sure. However that does make all people equal. You can't throw a rock without hitting a moron.

But you are right that your ability to speak english does not indicate your intelligence.

But if people don't understand you, there's not much they can do when it comes to talking with you. Langauge barrier when discussing physics can be a real problem.
 
what the f are you all talking about. I can't understand a word you are saying, therefore it must not be important.
 
to sum it up, he is talking about insensitive farts like you... ;-)
 
lol, guilty as charged.
 
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klusener said:
to sum it up, he is talking about insensitive farts like you... ;-)

Hey tribdog is the most sensitive guy i know. Who else, after all the horrible burns, could still feel it when he gets stabbed with a mechanical pencil?
 
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franznietzsche said:
Hey tribdog is the most sensitive guy i know. Who else, after all the horrible burns, could still feel it when he gets stabbed with a mechanical pencil?
thanks hun, you're pretty sensitive yourself :wink: if you know what I mean.
 
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tribdog said:
thanks hun, you're pretty sensitive yourself :wink: if you know what I mean.


Actually its rather insensitive...only way i can explain how long it lasts. :wink:
 
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thinker said:
I can't be subjected to the bias because English speak not good?
Can't is not high to be subjected to the bias because of the quantum physics level?
I think regardless is who we are equal.Regardless the level is high and low, regardless how English is.

Agree I. Bias speak good no English indicator bad the quality both the of intelligence level the and equality of ultimate are we.
 
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franznietzsche said:
Your ability to speak english is not indicative of your intelligence, sure. However that does make all people equal. You can't throw a rock without hitting a moron.

But you are right that your ability to speak english does not indicate your intelligence.

But if people don't understand you, there's not much they can do when it comes to talking with you. Langauge barrier when discussing physics can be a real problem.

I know that language is a very big obstacle.I try as far as possible to communicate with you.Hope that you can enough I help.Thank you!
 
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thinker said:
I know that language is a very big obstacle.I try as far as possible to communicate with you.Hope that you can enough I help.Thank you!


Out of curiousity, what is your first language?
 
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motai said:
Agree I. Bias speak good no English indicator bad the quality both the of intelligence level the and equality of ultimate are we.


I got a headache from reading that.
 
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franznietzsche said:
Out of curiousity, what is your first language?

Chinese.
I speaker English a little.I am sorry.I am sorry.
 
  • #18
thinker said:
Chinese.
I speaker English a little.I am sorry.I am sorry.

No apologies needed ... just keep it up :smile: !
 
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thinker said:
Chinese.
I speaker English a little.I am sorry.I am sorry.


Not sure what you're apologizing for.

I was just curious.
 
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I met some Chinese individuals in College and they work hard. I really admire their dedication to work. They sit there and try to figure out half of the English words, and then review because they still don't clearly understand the English. I wish I had that motivation.

My first language is French, but no one can tell. I am pure English now, but I still know French of course. :D
 
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Just out of curiousity: Masudr, are you studying physics, and if so at which college?
 
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i respect everyone who can speak multiple languages. I only know the cuss words and how to say "Will you sleep with me?" in other languages.
 
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tribdog said:
I only know the cuss words and how to say "Will you sleep with me?" in other languages.

Do you know "yes" and "no" in those languages too? It's not very useful to know how to ask if you don't know what the answer is. :-p
 

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