Overlap Integrals: Understand & Learn from a Source

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The discussion revolves around the concept of overlap integrals in optics, specifically focusing on their mathematical derivation and physical interpretation. Participants explore how overlap integrals relate to light propagation into optical fibers and the mathematical processes involved in calculating these integrals.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the mathematical origins and meanings of overlap integrals, seeking clarification and resources for better understanding.
  • Another participant explains that overlap integrals quantify how much light from a focused beam enters a fiber, emphasizing the correlation between the light field and the fiber's mode field.
  • A simplified example is provided, illustrating how to calculate the fraction of light passing through a circular window using normalized functions and integration, highlighting the concept of overlap.
  • It is noted that the method described can be generalized to different intensity distributions, such as Gaussian profiles, while maintaining the same mathematical approach.
  • A caveat is mentioned regarding the distinction between intensity and field overlap, indicating that intensity is proportional to the square of the field, which affects the formulation of the overlap integral.
  • Another participant expresses appreciation for the explanation, particularly regarding the normalization process involved in the calculations.
  • A request for a reference related to the initial image shared in the thread is made, indicating a desire for further reading material.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of overlap integrals in understanding light propagation in optics, but the discussion does not resolve all uncertainties regarding their mathematical foundations or applications.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the derivation of overlap integrals and the dependence on specific definitions and mathematical assumptions. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, particularly in the context of different intensity distributions.

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I study optics and many times i found a term called (Overlap integral ) as attached pictures .. I can't understand from where these expression comes (mathematically) and what these functions means in particular ( even from mathematical point of view)
I can't understand the nature of multiplying the two functions then integrating or making the integrals of individual functions then multiplying.. So I ask if anyone can help me to find a source for reading to understand .. or explain these expressions for me .. thank you in advance .
 

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If you have light focused down so it is imaged into a small spot on the tip of a fiber, this expression answers the question “how much of the light will go into the fiber?” (However this isn’t the only place in physics you will find an “overlap integral”). This function is a correlation of how well the field of the imaged spot (“light field”) overlaps the shape of the field the fiber can propagate (“mode field”).

The easiest way to describe it is to start with something simpler. Suppose you had a beam of light that made a perfectly circularly uniform spot on the wall. (Uniform intensity “top hat” profile). And suppose you had a circular window. In this scenario, all the light that hits the window goes through. If the circular beam partially overlaps the circular window, part of the beam goes through.
Mathematically how would you calculate how much gets through? One way to do it would be to write a function that describes the beam in some coordinate system: a constant value inside the circle, zero outside. Normalize this to one (divide by the integral of the function). Now in the same coordinates describe the window with a similar normalized function. If you multiply the two functions together and integrate you get the fraction of light that goes through the window. It’s how much gets through because the multiplied function is nonzero only where both functions are nonzero. (the “overlap”) It’s the fraction because the two functions are normalized to 1.
Of course you might have come up with a simpler geometric expression for that particular case, but this recipe is more generally useful. Suppose the beam isn’t uniform, but has a Gaussian intensity distribution. Same recipe: describe the intensity shape, normalize, multiply by the normalized window shape and integrate. Finally suppose the window isn’t completely transparent everywhere but has some pattern of transparency. You still use the same recipe.

One caveat, the simplified description above contemplates using the intensity throughout, but, really, when it comes to mode coupling, you overlap the fields. The intensity is proportional to the square of the field, and that is why your expression has all those conjugate squares.

So now let’s apply this to your expression. The light incident on the fiber tip has some field profile. Integrating the conjugate square of the field gives the total intensity. Dividing the field by the square root of the integrated conjugate square gives the normalized field. The fiber has a mode distribution that it can propagate. Dividing the description of the mode field by its integrated conjugate square gives the normalized mode field. Multiplying the two fields gives the field coupling: how much of the incident field couples into the fiber mode. Taking the absolute square of the whole expression puts this in terms of coupled intensity. The normalizers are real, so they just get squared and are once again intensities rather than fields.
 
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Cutter Ketch said:
If you have light focused down so it is imaged into a small spot on the tip of a fiber, this expression answers the question “how much of the light will go into the fiber?” (However this isn’t the only place in physics you will find an “overlap integral”). This function is a correlation of how well the field of the imaged spot (“light field”) overlaps the shape of the field the fiber can propagate (“mode field”).

The easiest way to describe it is to start with something simpler. Suppose you had a beam of light that made a perfectly circularly uniform spot on the wall. (Uniform intensity “top hat” profile). And suppose you had a circular window. In this scenario, all the light that hits the window goes through. If the circular beam partially overlaps the circular window, part of the beam goes through.
Mathematically how would you calculate how much gets through? One way to do it would be to write a function that describes the beam in some coordinate system: a constant value inside the circle, zero outside. Normalize this to one (divide by the integral of the function). Now in the same coordinates describe the window with a similar normalized function. If you multiply the two functions together and integrate you get the fraction of light that goes through the window. It’s how much gets through because the multiplied function is nonzero only where both functions are nonzero. (the “overlap”) It’s the fraction because the two functions are normalized to 1.
Of course you might have come up with a simpler geometric expression for that particular case, but this recipe is more generally useful. Suppose the beam isn’t uniform, but has a Gaussian intensity distribution. Same recipe: describe the intensity shape, normalize, multiply by the normalized window shape and integrate. Finally suppose the window isn’t completely transparent everywhere but has some pattern of transparency. You still use the same recipe.

One caveat, the simplified description above contemplates using the intensity throughout, but, really, when it comes to mode coupling, you overlap the fields. The intensity is proportional to the square of the field, and that is why your expression has all those conjugate squares.

So now let’s apply this to your expression. The light incident on the fiber tip has some field profile. Integrating the conjugate square of the field gives the total intensity. Dividing the field by the square root of the integrated conjugate square gives the normalized field. The fiber has a mode distribution that it can propagate. Dividing the description of the mode field by its integrated conjugate square gives the normalized mode field. Multiplying the two fields gives the field coupling: how much of the incident field couples into the fiber mode. Taking the absolute square of the whole expression puts this in terms of coupled intensity. The normalizers are real, so they just get squared and are once again intensities rather than fields.
Woooow ,, then these denominator comes from normalization of these functions !
I can't describe how your answer is great and helpful ..
 
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Hi, can you provide a reference for the first image you provided? Thank you so much for your help
 

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