P.d. increases in a step up transformer

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the mechanism by which potential difference (p.d.) increases in a step-up transformer, with a focus on the physical principles rather than mathematical formulas. Participants explore how the length of the secondary coil and the number of turns influence the induced electromotive force (emf) and energy conservation in the context of transformers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how increasing the length of the secondary coil affects the voltage, seeking a physical explanation without formulas.
  • Another participant notes that as potential difference increases, current decreases, suggesting that power remains constant aside from losses during transformation.
  • Several posts reiterate the question about the relationship between coil length and voltage, emphasizing a desire for a simple proportionality explanation.
  • One participant asserts that the number of turns in the coil, rather than its length or diameter, determines the voltage, stating that the ratio of turns corresponds to the ratio of voltages.
  • Another participant clarifies that the length of the secondary winding does not determine the secondary emf, but rather factors such as flux density and the number of turns in the secondary coil are crucial, linking these to the primary voltage source and other parameters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors that influence the potential difference in a step-up transformer, particularly regarding the role of coil length versus the number of turns. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on how the physical properties of the transformer coils relate to the induced emf, and there are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of terms like "flux density" and "emf."

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just tell me how the p.d. increases in a step up transformer.
(Please don't use formulas for this.)
if we take a conductor of same length and thickness as the 1st one for the secondary coil,
the voltage doesn't increase.
but why does it,if we increase the length.
I mean,how can that affect it?
(Please don't use formulas for this,because i want to see how the formula is derived than the other way round)

and how does it satisfy the law of energy conservation?
Thank You.
 
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Remember that, as the potential difference increases, the current decreases.
Thus the power remains the same(minus loses in the transformation)
 


again:

if we take a conductor of same length and thickness as the 1st one for the secondary coil,
the voltage doesn't increase.
but why does it,if we increase the length.
I mean,how can that affect it?
(Please don't use formulas for this,because i want to see how the formula is derived than the other way round)
Please tell me how(physically)the length of Secondary Coil affects emf??!??
 


sachin123 said:
again:

if we take a conductor of same length and thickness as the 1st one for the secondary coil,
the voltage doesn't increase.
but why does it,if we increase the length.
I mean,how can that affect it?
(Please don't use formulas for this,because i want to see how the formula is derived than the other way round)
Please tell me how(physically)the length of Secondary Coil affects emf??!??

Please apply simple proportionality rather formulas.
Please tell me how(physically)the length of Secondary Coil affects emf??!??
 


The length and wire diameter don't determine the votlage. The number of turns do.
The ratio of turns is equal to the ratio of the voltages.
 


The length of the secondary winding does not determine secondary emf. Rather, the flux density and secondary number of turns does. The flux density is determined by the primary voltage source, the frequency, the core area, and the primary no. of turns. This flux then couples the secondary winding. The secondary no. of turns (encirclements of the flux) and the magnitude of the flux density, determines the secondary emf.

Does this help?

Claude
 

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