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The discussion centers on the impact of Sarah Palin's selection as the vice-presidential candidate for John McCain's campaign. Initial reactions highlighted her appeal to women, but the conversation quickly shifted to criticisms of her qualifications and the controversies surrounding her, such as her daughter's pregnancy and various ethical issues. Despite these controversies, many supporters remained loyal, attributing her popularity to her charisma and ability to connect with conservative values. Critics argue that her lack of substantial experience and knowledge in complex political matters undermines her candidacy. The dialogue also touches on the broader implications of the election process, suggesting that it has devolved into a popularity contest rather than a serious evaluation of candidates' qualifications and policies. Participants express frustration over the perceived ignorance of voters who support candidates based on superficial traits rather than substantive issues, leading to concerns about the future of democracy and informed decision-making in elections.
  • #751
turbo-1 said:
"Naive and dangerous" to engage in diplomacy? I think we know who is naive and dangerous. She is so inexperienced that she frames diplomacy as it happens in a series of summit meetings, at which the leaders of the countries involved have face-to-face talks. Somebody please tell her that we have a diplomatic corps, as do our "enemies", and that diplomatic wrangling generally goes on behind the scenes until there is some sort of agreement or mutual understanding that can be announced publicly.

Maybe Kissinger would agree to explain to her slowly in easy-to-understand language why it might be necessary to talk to ones enemies, and how "preconditions" as minor as the proposed shape of the conference table can freeze progress on important issues. Probably a wasted effort, though.
Oh Noes! Busch to 'gochy-ate wiv tourists! Runnn!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081023/wl_mcclatchy/3080999;_ylt=As6H227eVaWX7stVZAFZ8tes0NUE
 
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  • #752
turbo-1 said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081023/wl_mcclatchy/3080999;_ylt=As6H227eVaWX7stVZAFZ8tes0NUE

You mean Bush will begin to normalize relations with that Ahmadinejad there who has said that he also wants to entirely wipe the stinking corpse of Israel there into the Sea and there also are no pre-conditions - whatever those things are there again?

Why that is just so irresponsible there again dontcha know.
 
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  • #753
LowlyPion said:
You mean Bush will begin to normalize relations with that Ahmadinejad there who has said that he also wants to entirely wipe the stinking corpse of Israel there into the Sea and there also are no pre-conditions - whatever those things are there again?
Only if Palin let's him. She's running the show now. You betcha, doggon it!
 
  • #754
That Busch is "naive and dangerous"! Not a Maverick!
 
  • #755
Some Maverick she has turned out to be.
LosAngelesTimes said:
Palin appointed friends and donors to key posts in Alaska, records show
100-plus jobs went to campaign donors or their relatives, sometimes without apparent regard to qualifications. Several donors got state-subsidized loans for business ventures of dubious public value.
By Charles Piller
October 24, 2008
Reporting from Anchorage -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, plucked from relative obscurity in part for her reform credentials, has been eager to tout them in her vice presidential campaign.

"I took on the old politics as usual in Juneau when I stood up to the special interests and the lobbyists and the big oil companies and the good old boys," Palin told the Republican National Convention in her acceptance speech. She said that as a new governor she "shook things up, and in short order we put the government of our state back on the side of the people."

... * More than 100 appointments to state posts -- nearly 1 in 4 -- went to campaign contributors or their relatives, sometimes without apparent regard to qualifications.

* Palin filled 16 state offices with appointees from families that donated $2,000 to $5,600 and were among her top political patrons.

* Several of Palin's leading campaign donors received state-subsidized industrial development loans of up to $3.6 million for business ventures of questionable public value.

* Palin picked a donor to replace the public safety commissioner she fired. But the new top cop had to resign days later under an ethics cloud. And Palin drew a formal ethics complaint still pending against her and several aides for allegedly helping another donor and fundraiser land a state job.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-palinrecords24-2008oct24,0,3252868.story
 
  • #756
who is Sarah Palin? I guess we're finding out! :-p
 
  • #757
LowlyPion said:
Some Maverick she has turned out to be.
Kind of like one mafia syndicate replacing another mafia syndicate. Same song, different dance.
 
  • #758
She is no longer the most popular Governor in the US. Her approval last I heard was at 62% down from 80% and that was a month ago and an Ethics Report ago too.

I hear the McCain Campaign still spouting this lie. I wish the media would blast them between the eyes on that.
 
  • #759
I seriously doubt that she will be relevant in 2012. If the Pentecostals inherit the Party after this election, I think she and they will be marginalized.
Australian said:
Sarah Palin positions herself for 2012 race

Geoff Elliott, Denver, Colorado | October 24, 2008

IN between slamming Barack Obama and Democrats, Sarah Palin has distanced herself from John McCain on several occasions over the past week, prompting speculation the Republican vice-presidential candidate is eyeing a White House tilt in 2012.

Ms Palin's electric effect on the Republican base has conservative pundits and strategists contemplating the Alaska Governor as a possible presidential candidate in four years if the polls prove correct and Senator McCain loses on November 4.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24542565-2703,00.html
 
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  • #760
LowlyPion said:
She is no longer the most popular Governor in the US. Her approval last I heard was at 62% down from 80% and that was a month ago and an Ethics Report ago too.

I hear the McCain Campaign still spouting this lie. I wish the media would blast them between the eyes on that.
They make it sound like she's was voted most popular by the entire US. No, it was a poll among Alaskans, that weren't all even sure who she was. Now that they're finding out who she is, her popularity is plummeting.
 
  • #761
Evo said:
They make it sound like she's was voted most popular by the entire US. No, it was a poll among Alaskans, that weren't all even sure who she was. Now that they're finding out who she is, her popularity is plummeting.

Someone pointed out on MSNBC that her $150,000 in clothes is more than Joe the Plumber paid for his house.

I saw too that her stylist was the highest paid consulting expense in the McCain campaign reported in October. ($22,000)
 
  • #762
contemplating the Alaska Governor as a possible presidential candidate in four years
In who's crack dream was this?

I see Hillary Clinton as Queen of England before this happens.
 
  • #763
Evo said:
In who's crack dream was this?

I see Hillary Clinton as Queen of England before this happens.

Someone mentioned something about Oprah as Ambassador to England.

I had to wonder why she would give up Harpo and the TV bucks for a gig like that.
 
  • #764
LowlyPion said:
Someone mentioned something about Oprah as Ambassador to England.

I had to wonder why she would give up Harpo and the TV bucks for a gig like that.
Oprah is in show business, and because of that I have great deal of cynicism when she rolls out her "next big thing". Oprah should do a couple of millennia in Purgatory for Dr. Phil alone. He is by far the greatest pop-sci plague to hit the US in decades!

That said, she has the bully pulpit, and her heart seems to be in a good place most of the time. I share a very small cabin with a wife who loves watching Oprah, and unless the weather is good and I've got some stuff to do outside, I get second-hand exposure to O fairly often. Oprah should NEVER go into politics, even in a feel-good effort to tackle problems of women and children in war-torn parts of Africa. She should instead ramp back the money juggarnaught that is "O" and spend a large part of each show (maybe 20-30%) rallying women for women. Highlight genital mutilation, honor-killings, acid-disfigurations for women who want education and a choice in husbands, etc, etc, etc. 1/4 of each of her shows is a small tithe to pay back, and she can afford to do so. Probably ain't going to happen, but she could be a greater agent of progressive change for women (both foreign and domestic) if she would only make the connections and parallels that highlight the recent (historically) gains for womens' rights in the US with the rights of women in other countries that treat women as chattel and slaves.
 
  • #765
Palin spent 150k on clothing for herself, her family, and soon-to-be son-in-law. So why not put some of that fund to good use? Well here is a start.

Donkey wrong: Sarah Palin wears 'Vote Democrat' scarf at Republican rally

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/us-election/donkey-wrong-sarah-palin-wears-vote-democrat-scarf-at-republican-rally-14011708.html
 
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  • #766
phoenixy said:
Palin spent 150k on clothing for herself, her family, and soon-to-be son-in-law. So why not put some of that fund to good use? Well here is a start.

Donkey wrong: Sarah Palin wears 'Vote Democrat' scarf at Republican rally

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/us-election/donkey-wrong-sarah-palin-wears-vote-democrat-scarf-at-republican-rally-14011708.html

This is obviously a photo shop job, but still funny.
 
  • #767
AP INVESTIGATION: Palin pipeline terms curbed bids

AP INVESTIGATION: Palin pipeline terms curbed bids

Despite Palin's boast of a smart and fair bidding process, the AP found that her team crafted terms that favored only a few independent pipeline companies and ultimately benefited the winner, TransCanada Corp.

And contrary to the ballyhoo, there's no guarantee the pipeline will ever be built; at a minimum, any project is years away, as TransCanada must first overcome major financial and regulatory hurdles.

In interviews and a review of records, the AP found:

_Instead of creating a process that would attract many potential builders, Palin slanted the terms away from an important group — the global energy giants that own the rights to the gas.

_Despite promises and legal guidance not to talk directly with potential bidders, Palin had meetings or phone calls with nearly every major candidate, including TransCanada.

_The leader of Palin's pipeline team had been a partner at a lobbying firm where she worked on behalf of a TransCanada subsidiary. Also, that woman's former business partner at the lobbying firm was TransCanada's lead private lobbyist on the pipeline deal, interacting with legislators in the weeks before the vote to grant TransCanada the contract. Plus, a former TransCanada executive served as an outside consultant to Palin's pipeline team.

_Under a different set of rules four years earlier, TransCanada had offered to build the pipeline without a state subsidy; under Palin, the company could receive a maximum $500 million.

What the Palin administration didn't tell legislators — and neglected to mention in its announcement of Rutherford's appointment — was that in 2003, Rutherford left public service and worked for 10 months at the Anchorage-based Jade North lobbying firm. There she did $40,200 worth of work for Foothills Pipe Lines Alaska, Inc., a subsidiary of TransCanada.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081025/ap_on_el_pr/palin_pipeline
 
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  • #768
AP INVESTIGATION: Palin pipeline terms curbed bids
Hmmmm - racketeering and corruption.
 
  • #769
Astronuc said:
Hmmmm - racketeering and corruption.

And you peple doubted her experience and qualifications for high office!
 
  • #770
mgb_phys said:
And you peple doubted her experience and qualifications for high office!
Yeah - we forgot the malfeasance qualification. :rolleyes:
 
  • #771


Evo said:
AP INVESTIGATION: Palin pipeline terms curbed bids

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081025/ap_on_el_pr/palin_pipeline

Of course all the lobbyists are likely in bed with each other. But that aside, I wonder why it is that after letting this contract to a Canadian Firm why there has never been any question about shipping that 1/2 Billion $ to Canada as opposed to an American firm, especially at a time of economic stress?
 
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  • #772
Now sources close to Palin are blaming Republican strategists for botching the roll out of her candidacy.

It just doesn't stop.

Meanwhile the highest paid consultant with the McCain Campaign is Palin's stylist at $11,000 a week. McCain's Foreign Policy Adviser is only at $6,000 a week.
 
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  • #773
"Spread the weath! Tax the rich and give it to the poor!"
"That's socialism!"

I'm paraphrasing Palin!
Is Palin a socialist or a capitalist?
You judge ... why is taking money from the rich oil company and giving it to the people of Alaska not considered socialism?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081025/ap_on_el_pr/palin_pipeline
Not only does that oil provide jobs, it pays for an annual dividend check to nearly every Alaska resident. This year's payment was $2,069, 25 percent higher than 2007 — plus a $1,200 bonus rebate to help offset higher energy costs.
 
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  • #774
It's only socialism if they are taking money off you - it's a dividend if they are giving money to you.
 
  • #775
jal said:
Is Palin a socialist or a capitalist?
You judge ... why is taking money from the rich oil company and giving it to the people of Alaska not considered socialism?

That's not Socialism so much as it is Opportunism. Like how many votes do the oil companies represent?

And besides it sounds like a mavericky thing to do.
 
  • #776
That's not Socialism so much as it is Opportunism.
In that case there are no capitalist and no socialist.
Nobody has a philosophy or an understanding of the meaning of those words when applied in "real life".
Therefore, I can only conclude that she is only "mouthing" words, just like most people.
 
  • #777
jal said:
In that case there are no capitalist and no socialist.
Nobody has a philosophy or an understanding of the meaning of those words when applied in "real life".
Therefore, I can only conclude that she is only "mouthing" words, just like most people.

We aren't going to get anything other than simple themes and slogans during a campaign (unfortunately). Political campaigns are basically built on straw men.
 
  • #778
The Vet Who Did Not Vet

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=03fcGelz8Hw

It rhymes. This song is very well made.


vlad and friend boris presents 'Song for Sarah' for mrs. Palin



This one, not so much. But still Palin picked up some endorsement from Russian neighbors.
 
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  • #779
Funny, as her popularity disappears, so do her glamour shots. This is after $22,000 worth of stage makeup?
 

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  • #780
Her $11K+ per week makeup artist has been troweling on the rouge, and while you might be able to get away with excess in some shots, it can look pretty ugly from some angles. This particular shot (looking upward) belies the use of rouge as a substitute for high cheekbones.

I am not a makeup artist, but I spent a bit of time free-lancing in my spare time taking graduation photos. The girls would often bring a friend to help with hair, makeup, etc, and I have had to intervene (gently) when they got a bit over-the-top.
 
  • #781
My suspicion is that Palin's trip back from the pinnacle won't be nearly as much fun as the glamor of the ascent.

She is scheduled to be with McCain in Arizona on Election night. I suspect that the trip back home to Alaska - a state that has had more than an eyeful of her over the course of the campaign - won't be quite the homecoming she would once have imagined.

She can retreat to the confines of her tanning table in an effort to stave off the Post-Campaign Partum going into the long Winter's night.
 
  • #782
turbo-1 said:
Her $11K+ per week makeup artist has been troweling on the rouge, and while you might be able to get away with excess in some shots, it can look pretty ugly from some angles. This particular shot (looking upward) belies the use of rouge as a substitute for high cheekbones.

I am not a makeup artist, but I spent a bit of time free-lancing in my spare time taking graduation photos. The girls would often bring a friend to help with hair, makeup, etc, and I have had to intervene (gently) when they got a bit over-the-top.
I can imagine how scary it looks up close. Looks like someone hit her in the face. This is funny because of the near psycho reaction some McCain people had to that Newsweek cover photo of her where they hadn't airbrushed out her wrinkles, saggy jaws, facial hair, and skin discolorations. They (campain people) made this an issue.
 
  • #783
LowlyPion said:
That's not Socialism so much as it is Opportunism. Like how many votes do the oil companies represent?

Socialism is opportunism.
 
  • #784
OUCH

The Palin Effect, Republican (and newspaper) that endorsed Obama due to Palin

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/fullpage/the-palin-effec.php

You can use mouseover to get citations.
 
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  • #785
John Cleese on Sarah Palin
 
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  • #786
I am actually quite upset at this Palin phenomenon. And I lived through Nixon and Lewis Hershey, and lots of others. But this time we have seen a complete fraud of a candidate who couldn't convince a tenth grader of her qualifications, nevertheless attain instant acceptance by a rather large segment of the US electorate.

This is scary. This election makes me think of Europe in the 30's, when bigots mobilized the support of ignoramuses and hate mongers and actually took power, as self professed bigots. And all while John McCain somehow maintains an image of a man of integrity?

By embracing them, he has made it more likely that the worst element of the Republican party will become even more influential in that party in future. The most scurrilous thing a man of former integrity can do, is to lend some of that reputation to evil minded people, just because he can't get any other group to support him enthusiastically.

How can anyone respect John McCain or Sarah Palin today? Has our political system always functioned based on emphasizing fear and stupidity?
 
  • #787
Palin's rating down the toilet.

Growing Doubts on Palin Take a Toll, Poll Finds

A growing number of voters have concluded that Senator John McCain’s running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, is not qualified to be vice president, weighing down the Republican ticket in the last days of the campaign, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

All told, 59 percent of voters surveyed said Ms. Palin was not prepared for the job, up nine percentage points since the beginning of the month. Nearly a third of voters polled said the vice-presidential selection would be a major factor influencing their vote for president, and those voters broadly favor Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee.

And in a possible indication that the choice of Ms. Palin has hurt Mr. McCain’s image, voters said they had much more confidence in Mr. Obama to pick qualified people for his administration than they did in Mr. McCain.

While a majority viewed Ms. Palin as unqualified for the vice presidency, roughly three-quarters of voters saw Mr. Obama’s running mate, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, as qualified for the job. The increase in the number of voters who said Ms. Palin was not prepared was driven almost entirely by Republicans and independents.

Over all, views of Ms. Palin were apparently shaped more by ideology and party than by gender. Ms. Palin was viewed as unprepared for the job by about 6 in 10 men and women alike. But 8 in 10 Democrats viewed her as unprepared, as well as more than 6 in 10 independents and 3 in 10 Republicans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/us/politics/31poll.html
 
  • #788
I hope my mother (in OH!) is among those that have now seen the light. I originally upset her by some anti-Palin remarks, hoping to sway her to Obama-land. I've hesitated to discuss politics since. I'll focus on my brother (OH) and sister (MI) this weekend instead. I suspect my sister's at least leaning Obama if not full-fledged -- I just can't see anyone with a Ph.D. supporting a ticket with Palin (despite the fact that I'm sure they are out there, esp. based on the Chronicle of Higher Ed's report on campaign contributions from faculty, which while heavy to Obama's side has a fair amount to McCain also).
 
  • #789
intellect ≠ wisdom.
 
  • #790
Larry Eagleburger speaks out on Palin.

With supporters like this, who needs enemies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYmABim_loo
 
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  • #791
McCain's response is that Eagleburger hasn't had a chance to meet her?

Eagleburger's opinion would have been harsher if he had??
 
  • #793
LightbulbSun said:

Sadly the claim that they will be bi-partisan and "reach across the aisle" when they have run such a negative and divisive campaign, involving themselves with vote suppression tactics as their only apparent road to the White House is so incredibly hypocritical.

I think if they are looking for reasons for why they are reviled, and their own negatives are so high, they need look no further than themselves.
 
  • #795
turbo-1 said:
Apparently, Palin believes that when the press claims that Palin is launching negative attacks against Obama, the press is abridging her first amendment rights... Boy, what a good VP pick, McCain! You've got a real constitutional scholar on the ticket.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/10/31/palin/index.html

I love how people nowadays interpret the first amendment as being anti-censure. It's ridiculous.
 
  • #796
astronuc, thank you for that great john cleese link. maybe i can send my children something cool on youtube that they have not seen first!
 
  • #797
That image of Lawrence Eagleberger reminds of Sam Eagle on the Muppet Show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDA9NbPAK8o :biggrin:
 
  • #798
LightbulbSun said:
I love how people nowadays interpret the first amendment as being anti-censure. It's ridiculous.

Here is the audio of her comment.

http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/Palin.mp3

It's painful to think that those that are supposed to be leading the country have such little grasp of the fundamentals of the Constitution.

Too bad she is so mentally lazy in not reading and understanding the Constitution that she would be charged to serve were she to assume office.

That does it. I'm fed up. McCain Palin won't get my vote now.
 
  • #799
LowlyPion said:
That does it. I'm fed up. McCain Palin won't get my vote now.

That decided it for you, eh?
 
  • #800
NeoDevin said:
That decided it for you, eh?

I've been pretty much on the fence. Couldn't you tell?
 

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