News Palin pick an insult to our intelligence

[Cyrus]

Woooooooooooooooooo xmas came early. The media is thrashinggggggggggggg Palin and I'm loving every minute of it. I hate that woman.

 

[CaptainQuasar]

Woooooooooooooooooo xmas came early. The media is thrashinggggggggggggg Palin and I'm loving every minute of it. I hate that woman.

Damn, and I just missed the nightly news too. Good thing there's CNN and all the 24-hr stuff.

It'll be interesting to see what she's like, say, ten years from now. I'm imagining something like Gollum.

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[LowlyPion]

Damn, and I just missed the nightly news too. Good thing there's CNN and all the 24-hr stuff.

It'll be interesting to see what she's like, say, ten years from now. I'm imagining something like Gollum.

I think her more likely to only be remembered in the same sentence with Dan Quayle.
As in "Whatever happened to ..."

 

[edward]

Caribou Barbie went on a shopping spree.

NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581

 

[Gokul43201]

Caribou Barbie went on a shopping spree.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581

Please take a look at some of the recent posts. This has been covered repeatedly - see posts #842 through #848.

 

[fourier jr]

Personally I think its their responsibility if they know this stuff to unload it. There is no public service to be gained by their sitting on it even though it may not seem to be fair play. Keep in mind that a number of these revelations fly in the face of Palin's statements that she is no diva and that she shops thrift shops.

I thought it was hilarious that Palin thought the media was taking away her right to free speech by covering her attacks on Obama. That still cracks me up & I don't think it makes any difference to her supporters if she says such stupid things or doesn't know what Africa is, or what countries are part of the North American Free-Trade Agreement. The only issue that seems to matter to them is abortion. I mean I saw a clip where the crowd went wild when McCain said "blah blah blah" in a speech. That's what matters to those people.

 

[edward]

Please take a look at some of the recent posts. This has been covered repeatedly - see posts #842 through #848.

Ah, but I put the good stuff in bold type.

 

[CaptainQuasar]

Ah, but I put the good stuff in bold type.

That really did heighten the experience of reading it. It was almost like watching a 3-D movie. [PLAIN]http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/outfitted/3dglasses.gif[RIGHT][SIZE="6"]⚛[/RIGHT]

 

[Astronuc]

Campbell Brown - "Sarah Palin is who she is. She didn't become more intelligent or less intelligent in the course of the campaign."

Brown addresses those McCain campaign advisers and officials who promoted Palin, and who now denigrate and disparage her.

Commentary: After Palin hard-sell fails, McCain aides attack her
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/campbell.brown.palin/index.html

 

[Evo]

This commentor's sentiments reflect mine

I have little sympathy for this woman. She actually believed her own hype, that she was skilled enough and bright enough to be Vice-President. Honey, if you dive into the pool you can't complain that the water is cold.

 

[LowlyPion]

While it's true she is who she is and McCain is the one that has paid the full measure for that, the fact remains that she doesn't give evidence of having any great facility in discussing National issues, yet she is wholly dishonest in representing that she is confident and has the experience to affect any change other than into a new outfit.

I wonder would she have spent the days after winning the election engaging in a council of economic advisers and scheduling a press conference?

Or would she instead be churning a push cart through Nieman's stocking up on trendy duds?

If she hadn't had the hubris to accept something that is so clearly beyond her just in being the VP choice, while proclaiming all the while that she could do it, I might have more sympathy.

 

[Astronuc]

Palin should not have been asked, and she should have said - "No thanks."

But those who put he there, and promoted her should accept their part in it, and stop bashing her.

 

[turbo]

If she hadn't had the hubris to accept something that is so clearly beyond her just in being the VP choice, while proclaiming all the while that she could do it, I might have more sympathy.

The fence-post turtle "didn't even blink".

 

[physics girl phd]

I'm just worried that Stevens will get kicked out of the Senate too soon and she'll appoint herself to the vacant spot. She wouldn't blink at doing that either.

 

[CaptainQuasar]

I agree, it seems likely she'll be going to Congress for Alaska one of these years, unless she completely flubs something while governor.

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[BobG]

Campbell Brown - "Sarah Palin is who she is. She didn't become more intelligent or less intelligent in the course of the campaign."

Brown addresses those McCain campaign advisers and officials who promoted Palin, and who now denigrate and disparage her.

Commentary: After Palin hard-sell fails, McCain aides attack her
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/campbell.brown.palin/index.html

I'd pretty much agree with Campbell Brown's comments. Regardless of Palin's qualifications, the behavior of McCain's campaign staff is pretty embarrassing.

About the only justification for winding up with these guys is the fact that McCain had to rebuild his campaign staff twice during his campaign - once because he ran out of money and once because he had to purge the lobbyists from the staff.

 

[Ben Niehoff]

I'm just worried that Stevens will get kicked out of the Senate too soon and she'll appoint herself to the vacant spot. She wouldn't blink at doing that either.

If Stevens gets kicked out and Palin wins his seat in a special election, I'd be fine with that. I mean, if Alaskans want her in the Senate, then I think that is the point of representation, isn't it? Hell, maybe she would learn something, too.

 

[SticksandStones]

I too would be fine with Palin being in the senate. Better her than someone competent who would make it hard to pass Obama's legislation.

 

[phoenixy]

Secrets of the 2008 Campaign

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167582

Everyone keeps posting excerpts from the actual Newsweek article. It is long but very well written and revealing. And by long, I mean I have seem shorter thesis (7 chapters x 6 pages per chapter). Nevertheless, the well-constructed multi-branch narratives made it a very entertaining read.

 

[Astronuc]

Secrets of the 2008 Campaign

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167582

Everyone keeps posting excerpts from the actual Newsweek article. It is long but very well written and revealing. And by long, I mean I have seem shorter thesis (7 chapters x 6 pages per chapter). Nevertheless, the well-constructed multi-branch narratives made it a very entertaining read.

Great series!

The Final Days - http://www.newsweek.com/id/168017

 

[LowlyPion]

I too would be fine with Palin being in the senate. Better her than someone competent who would make it hard to pass Obama's legislation.

I think she may be stupid enough to grab at it. But while it does give her a more National stage, it would place her out of her element. The World of Washington DC won't be revolving around Carribou Barbie.

Like what would she do? Commute to Alaska? Bring her hillbilly family act to Washington like anyone there will give her the time of day when she tries to "get in there and mix it up with the other senators"?

An ignorant, ill equipped member of a minority party with no power to initiate legislation, and likely no one with any interest in sponsoring legislation with her?

Ignorant. Impotent. And a continent away from her element? Sounds like a repeat of the same trashy novel we just finished.

 

[turbo]

I just saw Palin on NBC whining about how the press imposed a double standard on her. "Those aren't my clothes. Those are the RNC's clothes." She also claimed that the press wasn't letting her "set the record straight" as if it is somehow the media's job to parrot her spin verbatim. She is NOT ready for DC - thin-skinned, narcissistic, unable to take criticism, and just plain dumb. She is a perfect exemplification of the Peter Principle - she has managed to rise to a level at which her abilities are insufficient for her position - yet she aspires to more. Heaven help us.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

If Stevens gets kicked out and Palin wins his seat in a special election, I'd be fine with that. I mean, if Alaskans want her in the Senate, then I think that is the point of representation, isn't it? Hell, maybe she would learn something, too.

I've been hearing that if he gets removed from his seat Palin can appoint herself to his seat, no election needed.

 

[Ben Niehoff]

I've been hearing that if he gets removed from his seat Palin can appoint herself to his seat, no election needed.

Well, I don't know what the laws in Alaska are, but if them's the rules, then so be it.

It would be quite an act of hubris, though, and a political foot in the mouth. A smarter move would be to appoint someone other than herself.

 

[LowlyPion]

I've noticed remarks from Sarah Palin about her plans for 2012 and she says she will be making plans for Trig to be entering kindergarten by then and it's way too early to be worrying about that.

Trig was born back in April. April of 2008. He's going to be ready for kindergarten in just 4 years? That seems a bit odd given his Downs Syndrome. Or is this merely a case of poor math skills.

 

[Evo]

I've noticed remarks from Sarah Palin about her plans for 2012 and she says she will be making plans for Trig to be entering kindergarten by then and it's way too early to be worrying about that.

Trig was born back in April. April of 2008. He's going to be ready for kindergarten in just 4 years? That seems a bit odd given his Downs Syndrome. Or is this merely a case of poor math skills.

Public schools, to my knowledge, require a child to be 5 at the beginning of the school year. That is why the Evo child was almost 6 before she could start Kindergarten, her birthday is Oct 3rd, so she missed the cut off by a month when she turned 5.

 

[CaptainQuasar]

That is why the Evo child was almost 6 before she could start Kindergarten, her birthday is Oct 3rd, so she missed the cut off by a month when she turned 5.

The CaptainQuasar adult can't tell if you're talking about yourself in the third person and past tense, or about your own child.

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[Evo]

The CaptainQuasar adult can't tell if you're talking about yourself in the third person and past tense, or about your own child.

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The Evo Child is my daughter, aka The Child of Evo. Evo = evil. She's an evil child. That's how I got my name.

 

[LowlyPion]

Well, I don't know what the laws in Alaska are, but if them's the rules, then so be it.

It would be quite an act of hubris, though, and a political foot in the mouth. A smarter move would be to appoint someone other than herself.

I think she may be able to appoint herself through arrangement with the Lt. Governor. (If she resigns that guy gets to be the Gov, so why wouldn't he?)

But if she would do that I think that there still must be a special election called within 2 years.

Appointments

If a vacancy occurs due to a Senator's death, resignation, or expulsion, the 17th Amendment of the Constitution allows state legislatures to empower the governor to appoint a replacement to complete the term or to hold office until a special election can take place. (The only exception to this rule is Arizona, which requires a special election to fill all vacancies and does not allow for temporary appointments.) Typically, a replacement holds office until the next scheduled statewide election.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_subjects/Elections_Campaigns_vrd.htm

 

[turbo]

According to a recent Rasmussen poll, 64% of Republicans want Palin to run for president in 2012. What are they smoking? The McCain campaign went to great lengths to shield her from the media, apart from photo-ops and scripted speeches simply because she was so dangerously uneducated and clueless. Do the Republicans want to ruin their party? She could learn some new tricks in the next 4 years, but she's not going to get a bit more intelligent, and it would be impossible for the presidential candidate to avoid answering actual questions. Wow!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2012/69_of_gop_voters_say_palin_helped_mccain

 

[fourier jr]

According to a recent Rasmussen poll, 64% of Republicans want Palin to run for president in 2012. What are they smoking? The McCain campaign went to great lengths to shield her from the media, apart from photo-ops and scripted speeches simply because she was so dangerously uneducated and clueless. Do the Republicans want to ruin their party? She could learn some new tricks in the next 4 years, but she's not going to get a bit more intelligent, and it would be impossible for the presidential candidate to avoid answering actual questions. Wow!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2012/69_of_gop_voters_say_palin_helped_mccain

When I remember that the one & only issue those people turn out to vote on is abortion, that's not surprising. I say get Palin to run in 2012 & she'll keep making a fool of herself. They should just make sure she has the most militant, extreme, anti-abortion campaign the US has ever seen. She'll still crash & burn as long as she keeps making a fool of herself.

 

[turbo]

When I remember that the one & only issue those people turn out to vote on is abortion, that's not surprising. I say get Palin to run in 2012 & she'll keep making a fool of herself. They should just make sure she has the most militant, extreme, anti-abortion campaign the US has ever seen. She'll still crash & burn as long as she keeps making a fool of herself.

The problem is that we need more than one political party, and though I have been severely disenchanted with the Republicans under Gingrich, DeLay, Rove, et al, it would be nice to see the party swing back to real conservatism. If Barry Goldwater could see what happened to his party in the past couple of decades (country lied into needless war, reckless borrow-and-spend policies, etc), he'd be sick.

 

[CaptainQuasar]

The Evo Child is my daughter, aka The Child of Evo. Evo = evil. She's an evil child. That's how I got my name.

Oh, heh heh, that's cute!

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[Jimmy Snyder]

I've noticed remarks from Sarah Palin about her plans for 2012 and she says she will be making plans for Trig to be entering kindergarten by then and it's way too early to be worrying about that.

Trig was born back in April. April of 2008. He's going to be ready for kindergarten in just 4 years? That seems a bit odd given his Downs Syndrome. Or is this merely a case of poor math skills.

Actually, it's way late. She should start planning now. My son was in early intervention at 2 years 10 months, as soon as he was diagnosed with autism. He too was born in October and this made him one of the eldest in his kindergarten class, a big help for him at that age.

 

[CaptainQuasar]

Actually, it's way late. She should start planning now. My son was in early intervention at 2 years 10 months, as soon as he was diagnosed with autism. He too was born in October and this made him one of the eldest in his kindergarten class, a big help for him at that age.

Jimmy, I haven't heard that term before - is that like a sort of specialized pre-kindergarten? And it helped? That's great.

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[Jimmy Snyder]

Jimmy, I haven't heard that term before

I assume each state is different. In NJ, there is a state sponsored early intervention program that cuts out at age 3, so my son was under that program for a very short time. Under their administration, he went to a school outside of our district. After that he was handled by a specially convened child study team in our town which handled his educational needs. He was in specialized schools, outside of the school district, until 2nd or 3rd grade, I don't remember. In the shuffle, he got left back a year and that helped too although the school district has complained to me about it. Now he is in the regular school, but in special education classes. He will be in High School next year and we are considering whether to use the public school, or a special needs school. It is no easy decision and we haven't made it yet. He will be nearly 20 by the time he graduates and for him, those extra 2 years are a benefit.
There is a state program in Alaska, and I expect Gov. Palin is aware of it and will take advantage of its services. In addition to the State program, there are private programs specifically for children with Down's Syndrome in state. In NJ, you have the right to use non-government programs paid for by the local school district. Here is the early intervention program for Alaska:
Early Intervention Committee

 

[CaptainQuasar]

I hope that everything works out smoothly for your family.

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[Jimmy Snyder]

I hope that everything works out smoothly for your family.

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Thank you. We all expect that he will be fine.

 

[LowlyPion]

Of course it wasn't her fault.

Palin reflects on her run

The defeat, the future and the critics are all addressed

By SEAN COCKERHAM
scockerham@adn.com

Published: November 9th, 2008 11:38 PM
Last Modified: November 9th, 2008 07:52 AM

Gov. Sarah Palin blames the Bush administration for the failure of the McCain-Palin ticket, thinks people need to move on from the so-called "Troopergate" controversy and has no regrets about state per diem for time spent at her home in Wasilla or state-funded travel for her children

http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/584193.html

 

[Evo]

Of course it wasn't her fault.

http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/584193.html

Unreal.

People didn't vote for McCain because Palin is incompetant. Should we send her all of the press releases from all of the major Republicans that went on record saying that they could no longer endorse McCain BECAUSE OF HER INCOMPETANCE?

Does she really think anyone believes her excuses?

Unfortunately, yes, stupid people will buy this.

 

[CaptainQuasar]

Yeah, even if her story is going to be that all of those incidents were unfortunate accidents and people simply didn't get to see her native genius shining through http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/smilielol.gif she ought to be able to see that had as much to do with it if not more than the Bush administration.

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[Astronuc]

Palin puts 'brutal' 2008 behind her, looks to 2012
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081111/ap_on_el_pr/palin

WASHINGTON – Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has put the "brutal" 2008 campaign behind her and has the next presidential race in her sights, with a flurry of national television interviews and a high-profile appearance at the Republican Governors Association meeting this week.

Palin's stepping-out has been a marked departure for a vice presidential candidate who was held to tightly controlled appearances for much of the fall campaign. She's indirectly but unmistakably put her name in play as a potential presidential candidate, saying she'll "plow through that door" if it's God's will and conditions are right.

While Republican presidential nominee John McCain has kept a low profile since last Tuesday's election, Palin has spoken forcefully to deny any responsibility for her ticket's loss. She has blamed the policies of President Bush, the handicap of representing the incumbent party and the nation's financial crisis for the GOP defeat.

"I think the economic collapse had a heckuva lot more to do with the campaign's collapse than me personally," the governor said in an interview broadcast Tuesday on NBC's "Today" show.
. . . .
She is scheduled to speak about the GOP's future at Thursday's meeting in Miami, but starts her day with an informal news conference with reporters. She'll take questions for about 20 minutes before discussing the transition of the party with other leaders, organizers said.
. . . .

Presumably Obama will run for re-election, and it will be interesting to see who the Republican nominee will be. Possibly Romney, but it would be interesting to see Huckabee and Palin, who would compete for the same demographic groups.

I wonder if Palin will receive an education in energy and foreign affairs by then.

 

[CaptainQuasar]

I wonder if Palin will receive an education in energy and foreign affairs by then.

Or be able to name more than one Supreme Court decision, when auditioning to be the person who chooses Supreme Court Justices.

(She could at least have said something like, "Well, there was the Dredd Scott decision... I disagree with that, I don't think that Free states should be required to hunt down and capture out-of-state runaway slaves...")

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[turbo]

Palin puts 'brutal' 2008 behind her, looks to 2012
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081111/ap_on_el_pr/palin
Presumably Obama will run for re-election, and it will be interesting to see who the Republican nominee will be. Possibly Romney, but it would be interesting to see Huckabee and Palin, who would compete for the same demographic groups.

I wonder if Palin will receive an education in energy and foreign affairs by then.

She's got four years to become as well-educated as a middle-school student. Anybody taking that bet?

 

[LowlyPion]

She's got four years to become as well-educated as a middle-school student. Anybody taking that bet?

I think she is fooling herself if she thinks that she can run the country, or for that matter that the country would elect her. This time at least there was a fig leaf of a chance that she wouldn't ever serve.

But as the top of the ticket, I think there aren't too many people with IQs over 100 that would think she would be a good choice to govern. It is a measure of her incompetence if she really thinks she could a) win or b) govern anything but a fascist state.

 

[fourier jr]

I wonder if Palin will receive an education in energy and foreign affairs by then.

Haven't you been paying attention? She's been learning about foreign affairs by osmosis due to Alaska's proximity to Russia!

 

[LowlyPion]

A question that occurs to me is what she will look like at the age of 48 or 52.

Her wannabe double chin and multiplying wrinkles will mean Newsweek will only get pictures of Miss Vanity from the back of the auditorium I'm guessing.

If her hairdresser was the highest paid consultant this time around, will her plastic surgeon be the next time she runs?

 

[LowlyPion]

Palin wouldn't oppose call to seek presidency

The Associated Press
Published: November 11th, 2008 10:07 AM
Last Modified: November 11th, 2008 01:15 PM

WASILLA - Gov. Sarah Palin says she wouldn't hesitate to run for the presidency in four years if it's God's will, even though she never thought Campaign 2008 would be "as brutal a ride as it turned out to be."

..."I'm like, OK, God, if there is an open door for me somewhere, this is what I always pray, I'm like, don't let me miss the open door," Palin said in an interview with Fox News on Monday. "And if there is an open door in '12 or four years later, and if it is something that is going to be good for my family, for my state, for my nation, an opportunity for me, then I'll plow through that door."

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/585479.html

Keep waiting by the phone Babe. I'm sure Reverend Muthee sees a door for you.

 

[BobG]

Palin puts 'brutal' 2008 behind her, looks to 2012
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081111/ap_on_el_pr/palin
Presumably Obama will run for re-election, and it will be interesting to see who the Republican nominee will be. Possibly Romney, but it would be interesting to see Huckabee and Palin, who would compete for the same demographic groups.

I wonder if Palin will receive an education in energy and foreign affairs by then.

Romney and Huckabee competing for the same demographic group as Palin isn't a given. Both campaigns (and especially Romney's) speak more about the current state of the Republican Party than either candidate.

Prior to 2007, I would have thought the idea of Romney being the favorite of the religious right was ludicrous. Huckabee is a better fit since he used to be a preacher, but his record as governor doesn't match his 'conservative' reputation all that well (Jack Danforth and Jesse Jackson used to be preachers, too, and I doubt either would be a darling of the religious right). In fact, Palin's record doesn't match perfectly, although she benefits from having a much shorter record.

The religious right has a real dilemma in that no effective governor can possibly live up to their standards. The compromises one has to make when dealing with real people and real issues always dooms their 'conservative' credentials. Regardless of how badly Bush has mangled a lot of the things traditionally required of Presidents, the religious right is grateful enough to even wear buttons thanking him for Roberts and Alito. There's a different set of standards in play - they won't stand for a Reagan that merely pays lip service to the religious right, then gives other issues a higher priority.

Still, watching Huckabee and Palin would be interesting for a different reason. I can imagine them trying to out-folksy each other in a debate. I'd say Huckabee has the advantage in that he actually speaks in complete sentences.

..."I'm like, OK, God, if there is an open door for me somewhere, this is what I always pray, I'm like, don't let me miss the open door," Palin said in an interview with Fox News on Monday. "And if there is an open door in '12 or four years later, and if it is something that is going to be good for my family, for my state, for my nation, an opportunity for me, then I'll plow through that door."

Hope it's not an elevator door stuck open on the 12th floor.

 

[LowlyPion]

Four years is a long time and many public gaffes away for her to seriously entertain busting through any door she thinks Reverend Muthee is holding open.

Her biggest flaw is her apparent near pathological shirking of any fault and revising any history that would be unfavorable about her. I suspect it will trip her up over and over along what will surely be a rocky road for her given her shallow grasp of issues and casual relationship with study.

She has lied so many times now the past few months trying to cover up her mistakes that ultimately she will be shown even to her staunchest allies to be simply not trustworthy and incompetent. If she is currently leading the pack of Republican contenders I think it is because it is a weak field. Each of the top candidates at this point are sufficiently flawed as to be unelectable.

Romney is Mormon. To some Christians that's not to be trusted. Plus he faces the problem of which Romney will show up.

Palin's brand of no solution divisiveness packaged as a Miss Congeniality sloganeer doesn't hold a lot of promise I think without her seriously re-inventing herself and growing some substantial policy muscle. (If she goes to the Senate, she can't even claim her limited executive experience any more.)

Jendal as a minority candidate is not without his own flip flops and burdened perceptually by his North-Eastern Elite education.

Huckabee may be the most positive and likable and least divisive of the bunch, but as a staunch social conservative with Ron Paul like policy positions he looks like he needs major overhaul.